Premiership Pairs

[wtf]

On 6/17/2022 at 12:47 PM, bigcatdiary said:

It certainly no better these days and your point about nowhere produces consistently good racing is a valid one.

Race suits, Lay Downs, Tuning and Big vans certainly look good but the tracks are abysmal most of the time, I certainly think a lot of the promoters have got it the wrong way round.

The GP circus is a prime example, looks very professional until you get to the actual racing which generally is pretty non existent.

 

On 6/17/2022 at 12:48 PM, Baldyman said:

I think it's biggest problem is possibly the dirt line never really gets a chance to build up due to stock cars,,, and possibly not enough banking,,, again due to stocks. There just never seems to be any bite on the outside for the riders to use,,, I'm not a track expert,, but that's what It looks like. 

The biggest problem with all uk tracks these days over what was available in days gone by are the materials available and what the environmental police will allow you to do.

the reason most tracks are clay based is simple. It's available and it's cheap. traditional red shale is still available but it is horrendously expensive. the second is that many things used to be added to the track surfaces in the past to get the shale to bind together and provide grip. the surface now just turns to powder and dust and doesn't bind, hence you go to very slick dusty conditions much more quickly these days. I know in the past from talking to old track curators. The old waste oil used to be mixed into track dressing, to get it to bind. obviously this is no longer allowed. What you have now on most tracks amounts to no more that mud and dirt with some clay mixed in. Add water and this is what you get. Obviously the idea of allowing oil to be put into the ground (from where it came) is a bad one apparently.

the tracks of yesteryear are impossible to re create  because of that. 

Edited June 18, 2022 by wtf

[Arch Stanton]

1 hour ago, tellboy said:

It doesn't provide an outside line whatever the weather according to many Ipswich fans.Its not been baking got all season I know

Well that’s just not true. The Belle Vue meeting in particular had a great outside line that even Batchelor used to good effect. That outside line then disappeared the next meeting against Sheffield and the fastest route was again definitely up the inside. It’s very inconsistent which is frustrating. We have one of the most experienced track men around who certainly knows what he’s doing, but you can only work with what’s at your disposal. Budget allowing, perhaps they need to try something different for next year. 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Arch Stanton

[bigcatdiary]

29 minutes ago, wtf said:

No one wanted gate 3 including Doyley, it was a graveyard, but Troy managed to get off it both times, with a sneaky little roller, but that's the name of the game.

Because the referee wasn’t doing his job properly.

[wtf]

2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

Because the referee wasn’t doing his job properly.

I think the Referee had a bit of a shocker. Its not like half the others weren't moving at the starts either

[ScottCampos178]

On 6/17/2022 at 1:56 PM, Arch Stanton said:

Disagree about the old circuit providing better racing. It was simply far far to narrow to allow any decent racing to take place. There’s nothing wrong with the current shape as seen in the picture. They’ve made it much wider and more circular in shape. The problem is the preparation and Baldyman is right, the stocks are a real problem where this is concerned 

I actually think the old shape was much better for passing, it was just more technical. The problem now is that the curb has been moved further and further in that it's just too far to really get passed around the outside anyone

[Baldyman]

If you watch some old vids or races,,, it looks like it was easier to pass on,,, but maybe it was also easier because they were on uprights and going a bit slower 

[89buttons]

8 hours ago, tellboy said:

It doesn't provide an outside line whatever the weather according to many Ipswich fans.Its not been baking got all season I know

The phrase lack of preparation implies lack of effort to produce a better racetrack with more lines on it…? That’s was the point I took issue with and defended Chris and bob.

also if Ipswich never produced an outside line Danny king wouldn’t have scored any points at all in the past umpteen years he’s riding for the club

this season for whatever reason the tracks been slicker than normal and dirt line less prevalent but as mentioned was fairly decent and grippy in the belle vue meeting.

certainly think the materials now available just don’t suit the modern bikes to produce as good a racing on the tighter tracks we have here in the uk.

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by 89buttons

[Arch Stanton]

It’s proving a problem everywhere let’s have it right and not make out this is just an Ipswich thing. I’ve seen two meetings at Peterborough this season, and both haven’t been a patch on what the Showground has served up in previous years. Same with Lynn and Wolves. Both these tracks have produced excellent racing in the past, but these days those good meetings are few and far between according to those who attend regularly at least on here. 
 

The opening two meetings live on Eurosport were shocking at Wolves and Peterborough. The third meeting, ours against Sheffield at Foxhall, was an improvement on both although hardly a classic either by any means. Seems to be an ever increasing issue with tracks here in the UK with the exception of Belle Vue. Having said that, most of the GP’S have been shockers as well on pretty crap tracks!

Edited June 18, 2022 by Arch Stanton

[Arch Stanton]

Think those that preferred the old circuit have got short memories. Was ridiculously narrow. Not even sure how we got away with that to be honest!

[bigcatdiary]

38 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

It’s proving a problem everywhere let’s have it right and not make out this is just an Ipswich thing. I’ve seen two meetings at Peterborough this season, and both haven’t been a patch on what the Showground has served up in previous years. Same with Lynn and Wolves. Both these tracks have produced excellent racing in the past, but these days those good meetings are few and far between according to those who attend regularly at least on here. 
 

The opening two meetings live on Eurosport were shocking at Wolves and Peterborough. The third meeting, ours against Sheffield at Foxhall, was an improvement on both although hardly a classic either by any means. Seems to be an ever increasing issue with tracks here in the UK with the exception of Belle Vue. Having said that, most of the GP’S have been shockers as well on pretty crap tracks!

I don’t disagree with any of that, with the bottom line being generally the racing is generally poor with just the occasional good meeting.

 

 

[Trees]

11 hours ago, 89buttons said:

Chris Louis has changed the track, and banking as much as he can making alterations 4/5 times in the last few winters.

it’s unfair saying there was a “lack of preparation” it was clear to see how hard Chris and bob had been working all day to get moisture into the track and produce some grip, this week has been horrendous weather hotter and hotter with a drying wind every day. I work on a local golf course and it’s gone from green to toast in just a few days.

my question would be, if the material they currently use is just so so difficult to produce an outside line with when it’s so hot and dry, is there a better material that could be sourced to suit the climate and track here at Foxhall? 
 

I agree that the stock cars running all over it between meetings really don’t help.

I thought the track had been watered well but the riders still couldn't get enough drive round the outside, the inside line is too good?

[Arch Stanton]

8 minutes ago, Trees said:

I thought the track had been watered well but the riders still couldn't get enough drive round the outside, the inside line is too good?

It is at the moment, that’s undeniable. 

[Roger Jacobs]

Apparently there's a Premiership Pairs at King's Lynn on Thursday, 7 July ... any interest from anyone? Including riders?

[Arch Stanton]

Pass. 

[PhilTheAce]

Line ups 

 

wolves 

masters and Morris RS

 

belle vue

 

zagar and fricke RS

 

ipswich

 

Doyle and king RS

 

lynn 

 

pickering and Lawson RS

 

Peterborough

 

harris and Hans RS 

 

sheffield

 

holder and Ellis RS

[PhilTheAce]

Good line up again. I’m surprised fans haven’t taken to this. Plenty of heat 13 and 15s which is what we all want to see 

[arnieg]

10 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

Good line up again. I’m surprised fans haven’t taken to this. Plenty of heat 13 and 15s which is what we all want to see 

They are too busy posting on the Internet about how to save British speedway by having better line ups that will bring the crowds flocking back and the need for  more meetings other than league matches.

[secsy1]

Yet another meaningless attempt to promote something no one cares about.

Instead of trying to preach on speedway forums, promoters need to get out into the real world to attract a new audience.

[PhilTheAce]

7 minutes ago, secsy1 said:

Yet another meaningless attempt to promote something no one cares about.

Instead of trying to preach on speedway forums, promoters need to get out into the real world to attract a new audience.

The problem with them in charge, they never read the room. 
 

It’s not all Godfrey fault but it would be a start to remove him 

[Trees]

Should be a better meeting at Lynn hopefully!