Premiership Pairs

[Trees]

5 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

What was the streaming like, tempted to try it for the future meetings.

The filming of the racing was good, the commentator got a rider or two wrong and there were one or two questionable quotes from Olly, the sound isn't 100% BUT it's 100% worth buying just to watch the meetings, it's very reasonably priced imo. How brilliant to have the choice to watch online once I decided the weather was too dodgy to go in person Of course the result was fantastic As for the last race, there was absolutely no intention by Richard to cause Ellis to fall, he was just doing what he had to do and Ellis was in the wrong place at the wrong time I suppose you could say.  For anyone who says the scoring system is wrong, christ knows us fans LOVE team racing, ANYTHING that encourages it, bring it on imo 

 

[hyderd]

37 minutes ago, Trees said:

The filming of the racing was good, the commentator got a rider or two wrong and there were one or two questionable quotes from Olly, the sound isn't 100% BUT it's 100% worth buying just to watch the meetings, it's very reasonably priced imo. How brilliant to have the choice to watch online once I decided the weather was too dodgy to go in person Of course the result was fantastic As for the last race, there was absolutely no intention by Richard to cause Ellis to fall, he was just doing what he had to do and Ellis was in the wrong place at the wrong time I suppose you could say.  For anyone who says the scoring system is wrong, christ knows us fans LOVE team racing, ANYTHING that encourages it, bring it on imo 

 

didn't know it was being streamed, is there a link so as I can buy it, and is it the same streaming company for all meetings, so I don't have to keep asking for links.

Edited May 24, 2022 by hyderd

[lbw]

26 minutes ago, Trees said:

Whereas I am looking forward to watching them all, it's a wide open comp imo!

Yer pays yer money yer takes yer choice 

 

[lbw]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

People talking about the concept being wrong because of a small turn out. I'm of the opposite view. Crowd numbers at the venue are pretty much irrelevant, similarly to how greyhound racing works today. 

If there were 2500+ watching via streaming @ £13, this competition has started with flying colours. 

3/400 at the stadium, 1900 online etc, it's a success. 

No longer will promoter be to concerned by paying punters at the gate as long as there's a gradual uptick in streaming purchases 

Anyone actually know the streaming figure? I've no intention of streaming but folk like to so wot do I know? 

 

[Bald Bloke]

30 minutes ago, hyderd said:

didn't know it was being streamed, is there a link so as I can buy it, and is it the same streaming company so I don't have to keep asking for links.

BSN+ https://watch.britishspeedway.co.uk/catalog  It was £49 for all 6 Prem Pairs meetings, or £12.99 to buy them individually.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Bald Bloke

[szkocjasid]

3 hours ago, Noodles said:

You may as well  just have the traditional 3/2/1/0 and if a 3-3 in the semi or final a win trumps 2nd and 3rd.

 

3 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Defeats the whole object tbh!! It's a pairs event so team riding has to be rewarded. 

If 4-3-2-0 is used for pairs events to encourage team riding, why is it not also used in league matches?

Teams ride as pairs in that too!

[hyderd]

13 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

BSN+ https://watch.britishspeedway.co.uk/catalog  It was £49 for all 6 Prem Pairs meetings, or £12.99 to buy them individually.

Thanks.

[Steve55]

7 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

I thought riders are constantly turning left at P'boro, it's essentially a circle

Difficult to comment without having seen it but very few gripes about it on here. 

Seen the video this afternoon, coming down the home straight Ellis cuts back to be on the inside of Lawson, who then looks at him twice over his left shoulder before turning left across him, catching his front wheel with either his back wheel or dirt deflector, causing Ellis to lose control!

[Daniel Smith]

Just now, Steve55 said:

Seen the video this afternoon, coming down the home straight Ellis cuts back to be on the inside of Lawson, who then looks at him twice over his left shoulder before turning left across him, catching his front wheel with either his back wheel or dirt deflector, causing Ellis to lose control!

To which Lawson had the right to do as the leading rider. There is no rule to say 'a slower rider must allow a faster rider to pass without challenge.' 

[Steve55]

1 minute ago, Daniel Smith said:

To which Lawson had the right to do as the leading rider. There is no rule to say 'a slower rider must allow a faster rider to pass without challenge.' 

Never said there was, just verbalising what I watched this afternoon. However the physical contact was caused by Lawson changing lines with Ellis being too close to come off the gas or change direction!

[Noodles]

5 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Defeats the whole object tbh!! It's a pairs event so team riding has to be rewarded. 

It's no different to the league where a pair of riders try to keep the opposition behind them. Holding a 3-3 is better than conceding a 4-2 is it not? 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

To which Lawson had the right to do as the leading rider. There is no rule to say 'a slower rider must allow a faster rider to pass without challenge.' 

Not if he hits him.....then it's dangerous riding

[Trees]

2 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

BSN+ https://watch.britishspeedway.co.uk/catalog  It was £49 for all 6 Prem Pairs meetings, or £12.99 to buy them individually.

Thanks m8, typed out a reply then needed to find out the link but grandson took my mind off it ....

[Daniel Smith]

58 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Not if he hits him.....then it's dangerous riding

Unless the leading rider did a total lockup, the rider dehind will always be excluded for a collision. I'm not seeing why folk are getting their knickers in a twist over it. Ellis at fault, end of

[tellboy]

2 hours ago, Steve55 said:

Seen the video this afternoon, coming down the home straight Ellis cuts back to be on the inside of Lawson, who then looks at him twice over his left shoulder before turning left across him, catching his front wheel with either his back wheel or dirt deflector, causing Ellis to lose control!

I think Lawson had to turn left as a corner was coming up.There was so much room on the outside for Ellis to go but he chose to cut back off bend 4 because he was worried about Pickering coming up on the inside of him,then before he knew he ran into the back of Lawson,Lawson didn't run into him.If you look at the lines on the track Lawson was on that,the fastest one so he could go slower if you know what i mean.

[Gambo]

9 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

The format itself is entertaining and is perhaps worth pursuing but the idea to enforce a reserve to have a ride is pointless, I think this detracted from the overall competition.

Going forward I would suggest any 2 of your top 5 with a teams no 6 or either of the Rising stars at reserve but definitely letting the TM chose his line up and his choice as to whether he uses a reserve or not.

No guests please, whatever is chosen.

I know it's a Pairs event, but why not involve the RS's a bit more and give them 3 races of their own that add to the team score?  AvBvCvD. EvFvAvD. EvFvBvC.

Even if their scores were not added to the Team total, you could have Team RS Champion if you added the 6 events together.

[LisaColette]

4 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

 

If 4-3-2-0 is used for pairs events to encourage team riding, why is it not also used in league matches?

Teams ride as pairs in that too!

Still a different format race card wise! 

[wtf]

14 hours ago, tellboy said:

I think Lawson had to turn left as a corner was coming up.There was so much room on the outside for Ellis to go but he chose to cut back off bend 4 because he was worried about Pickering coming up on the inside of him,then before he knew he ran into the back of Lawson,Lawson didn't run into him.If you look at the lines on the track Lawson was on that,the fastest one so he could go slower if you know what i mean.

I think it was an unfortunate set of circumstances whereby just as Richard is turning harder than Adam expected and therefore scrubbing off more speed than Adam expected, Adam is at the same time making a distinct move to go to the outside and the miscalculation of speeds causes the collision. It only takes a minor miscalculation to happen. The reason why it's not just OK for the rider in front to just take any line he chooses at all costs is because without brakes the guy behind can't just slow down instantly. For ,me this was a racing incident. The clues as to how Richard was defending the position were clear and had been for a couple of laps, Adam was going all out to make the pass and switched lines one way as Richard was switching the other. Sure Adam will be pi##ed off about it as will any Sheffield Fans and so they should. It was unlucky on Adam, but for me, The best referee in the business made the right call.

Edited May 25, 2022 by wtf

[Bagpuss]

2 hours ago, wtf said:

I think it was an unfortunate set of circumstances whereby just as Richard is turning harder than Adam expected and therefore scrubbing off more speed than Adam expected, Adam is at the same time making a distinct move to go to the outside and the miscalculation of speeds causes the collision. It only takes a minor miscalculation to happen. The reason why it's not just OK for the rider in front to just take any line he chooses at all costs is because without brakes the guy behind can't just slow down instantly. For ,me this was a racing incident. The clues as to how Richard was defending the position were clear and had been for a couple of laps, Adam was going all out to make the pass and switched lines one way as Richard was switching the other. Sure Adam will be pi##ed off about it as will any Sheffield Fans and so they should. It was unlucky on Adam, but for me, The best referee in the business made the right call.

I was going to post something very similar but you've put it better than I ever could so I'm just going to quote you instead.

 

[PhilTheAce]

So palin would have rode in Poland yesterday if it wasn’t rained off. 
 

jenkins who was injured ride in Poland. 
 

As harsh as it sounds surely they were withholding there services Monday in what was an official British meeting. 
 

this is what makes having a RS in the event a shambles. They will choose to ride in Poland over this where they will get paid more and have more rides.