Leicester vs Birmingham 26/03/2022 KoC 1st Round 1st Leg

[enotian]

1 minute ago, phillipsr said:

Actually dont think its a bad start of an idea this just two things worry me 

1. Riders practice, Tractors come out change the track completely 

2. As happened at SON Day 1, Riders practiced, pushed all the dirt out creating 1 line early on which didnt make for a great meeting until that line became so wide it opened up other parts of the track 

Valid. And to be honest I'd expect some regrading after the practice to bring some of the top surface back during the team presentation so a limited time to change the track massively. I'm guessing that two riders at a time is less disruptive to the track than a free for all would be.  Would need a more learned track curator to comment on what is possible.

Of course if the weather means track prep will take longer the practice would be cancelled.

Worth investigating if it would improve the product.

[StevePark]

1 hour ago, enotian said:

Didn't the Diamonds do it to Sheffield after a typically rubbish Owlerton display? I recall because I didn't bother going to the 2nd leg but my dad who would pay to watch paint dry did and was smug for weeks.  But it's basically two rubbish matches isn't it, two massive home wins.  Don't ask the year as they all merge into one at my age.

A few laps just before tapes up hardly gives riders time to make adjustments though. I'm thinking more of a structured pre match practice. Say two riders at a time for a 5 minute practice so 35 mins of practice in total before the line up presentation. If the riders want to do it. Maybe do interviews with those who do after their practice. F1 and Moto GP make 3 days out of exactly that. 2 if you consider qualifying as an event. The riders wouldn't get paid to practice so no extra cost to add an extra 35 mins of 'entertainment' for those who want to see it. If you don't just turn up for the tapes up time. Personally I'd just turn up for the start of the match but if the knock on effect is that both sets of riders are more well prepared for the real action then the match is likely to be more entertaining.

 

1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said:

I do vaguely remember the Diamonds overturning a pretty big deficit against Sheffield, a few years back. But it wasn't 20+, I'd be very surprised if it was.

And in Poland they send a couple riders out from each team for 5 minutes or so, to get a bit practice in and presumably relay back to the rest of the team what the track surface is like. Will never happen in uk though

2012 1st Leg Sheff 58 Diamonds 32. 2nd Leg Diamonds 62 Sheff 28.  Diamonds won 94-86 on agg.

[Diamonds85]

7 minutes ago, StevePark said:

 

2012 1st Leg Sheff 58 Diamonds 32. 2nd Leg Diamonds 62 Sheff 28.  Diamonds won 94-86 on agg.

Fair play. I knew it was a big margin and knew exactly which tie was being referred to. However I didn't realise it was such a big margin that was overcome, good times. We haven't had a season like 2010-2013 for a very long time... I miss watch us with big hitters at number 1 and decent reserves etc

[ljriley90]

Can anyone comment on how auty and vissing looked?

Was auty on the pace? I know hes not quickest off the gate and a slick track might have had his number

[Elmo]

Auty looked extremely rusty, was 5-1’d in all his races and passed by Joe Thompson.

Vissing was OK but no match for the 3 Leicester heat leaders on the night.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Elmo

[Col]

20 hours ago, Diamonds85 said:

I'm sorry but even if Adam was there, Leicester would have still been far too strong for Birmingham to stand a chance in the second leg, Adam missing made little difference. Being 20 or so points down after the first leg is basically a death sentence, has a deficit like that ever been overcome?

Leicester are one of, if not THE strongest team in the league and I don't see Birmingham making the playoffs, so the gulf in quality effected the result, not the fact Adam was missing, who admittedly is probably Birmingham's best rider.

I'm not saying Ellis riding would have made any difference to the result on the night, merely suggesting it may have made the second leg more interesting.

21 hours ago, arnieg said:

15 surely?

Are tactical substitutes not allowed in cup competitions?

22 hours ago, iainb said:

I probably would have gone to the 2nd leg... so both Leicester and Birmingham have missed my money because of last night. 

EXACTLY!

[arnieg]

2 minutes ago, Col said:

 

Are tactical substitutes not allowed in cup competitions?

 

No. Rule is  against tactical substitutes in two legged competitions.(12.4.4)

[Col]

I see, fair enough.

[phillipsr]

12 hours ago, ljriley90 said:

Can anyone comment on how auty and vissing looked?

Was auty on the pace? I know hes not quickest off the gate and a slick track might have had his number

Any who wonder why Auty never made it to the top of the Sport despite at least being the likes of Woffinden's equal at a young age, this sentence is the reason

[OGT]

2 hours ago, phillipsr said:

Any who wonder why Auty never made it to the top of the Sport despite at least being the likes of Woffinden's equal at a young age, this sentence is the reason

According to the P&P piece on Central News on Friday, Auty's bike can accelerate quicker than an F1 car.

He didn't say which one or what year it was though. 

[GiveusaB]

13 minutes ago, OGT said:

According to the P&P piece on Central News on Friday, Auty's bike can accelerate quicker than an F1 car.

He didn't say which one or what year it was though. 

The problem is....the bike can, but the rider can't! LOL

[IainB]

17 minutes ago, OGT said:

According to the P&P piece on Central News on Friday, Auty's bike can accelerate quicker than an F1 car.

He didn't say which one or what year it was though. 

Did it mention if the bike had brakes or not? Because if it didn't mention that... it definitely has got brakes

[Berry9]

Teams like Leicester make a mockery of speedway,  the track looks fantastic but it is prepared in a way that only produces one racing line,  God help any visiting rider who tries to go wide on the bends because they siink faster than the Bismark.  Lion's fans would call it "home advantage" whereas I prefer the word "cheating".  All it produces is a guaranteed boring follow the leader  home win

[poole keith]

visiting riders need to be in the lead then!!

[Berry9]

36 minutes ago, poole keith said:

visiting riders need to be in the lead then!!

A Speedway heat is meant to be a race over 4 laps not a race to the first corner

[FishersGate]

On 3/28/2022 at 3:32 PM, Berry9 said:

Teams like Leicester make a mockery of speedway,  the track looks fantastic but it is prepared in a way that only produces one racing line,  God help any visiting rider who tries to go wide on the bends because they siink faster than the Bismark.  Lion's fans would call it "home advantage" whereas I prefer the word "cheating".  All it produces is a guaranteed boring follow the leader  home win

It's a tough track at Leicester but I did see Joe Thomson pass Josh Auty trying different racing lines. So you can pass there..youve just got to know the track..nick Morris did a pass as well....so it's not a mockery for speedway at all or even cheating. Birmingham were rubbish at gating that ain't Leicester's fault. 

[Fortythirtyeight]

On 3/28/2022 at 3:32 PM, Berry9 said:

Teams like Leicester make a mockery of speedway,  the track looks fantastic but it is prepared in a way that only produces one racing line,  God help any visiting rider who tries to go wide on the bends because they siink faster than the Bismark.  Lion's fans would call it "home advantage" whereas I prefer the word "cheating".  All it produces is a guaranteed boring follow the leader  home win

Your fast becoming an embarrassment to Redcar with your silly posts. 

Leicester was built by the same man who built Redcar, although it has been tinkered with a number of times. A lot of tracks have there own racing line, some because they are around football or rugby pitches, some because of the angle of the bends, no two tracks are the same. Does that mean they are all ‘ cheating ‘ ? No it doesn’t !

As a famous world champion said “ They are all there to be ridden “.

[Triple.H.]

1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Your fast becoming an embarrassment to Redcar with your silly posts. 

Leicester was built by the same man who built Redcar, although it has been tinkered with a number of times. A lot of tracks have there own racing line, some because they are around football or rugby pitches, some because of the angle of the bends, no two tracks are the same. Does that mean they are all ‘ cheating ‘ ? No it doesn’t !

As a famous world champion said “ They are all there to be ridden “.

Blank Canvas and cocked it up.

No doubt the track builder/Layer had plenty of suggestions for improvements at that stage but They fell on deaf ears.

Edit

Redcar  Somerset and Scunthorpe 

3 examples of what can be done with a blank canvas

Edited March 29, 2022 by Triple.H.

[Skodaman]

On 3/28/2022 at 4:45 PM, Berry9 said:

A Speedway heat is meant to be a race over 4 laps not a race to the first corner

Since Stewart took over the racing has improved due to track alterations. When was the last time you came to Leicester to see a meeting?

Edited March 29, 2022 by Skodaman
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[Bendonebunching]

I've never been a fan of the Leicester track but when I went there last season to watch them ride against Plymouth I must admit it was by far the best meeting I have seen there.