racers and royals Posted April 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) Sunday’s matches line-ups Ostrow v Grudziadz Ostrow 9 Berntzon 10 Gapinski 11 Walasek 12 Matias Nielsen 13 C Holder 14 Krawczyk 15 Szostak 16 Sorensen Grudziadz 1 Pedersen 2 Kasprzak 3 Jakobsen 4 Prem Pawlicki 5 RR(ZZ) for banned Tarasienko 6 Pludra 7 Lobodzinski 8 Wroclaw vTorun Wroclaw 9 RR(ZZ) for banned A Laguta 10 Bewley 11 Woffinden 12 Chugunov 13 Janowski 14 M Curzytek 15 Kowalski 16 Torun 1 J Holder 2 Przedpelski 3 Lambert 4 RR(ZZ) for banned Sayfutdinov 5 Dudek 6 Lewandowski 7 Zielinski 8 Edited April 7, 2022 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 Are the clubs expecting to use R/R all season for the Russian riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: Are the clubs expecting to use R/R all season for the Russian riders? Yes if necessary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) Friday April 8th Czestochowa v Leszno start time 5pm UK time Eleven Sport 1 Friday April 8th Gorzow v Lublin start time 7.30pm UK time Eleven Sport 1 links http://kergel.ucoz.lv/ http://www.drhtv.com.pl/drhtv-1.html https://daddylive.fun/stream/stream-71.php http://www.maniak.tv/mk1 VK maybe Czestochowa racecard https://www.facebook.com/speedwayprograms/photos/pcb.2152011821640758/2152011788307428/ or pages 30 and 31 https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:26db105e-49a6-4e2b-80b8-514400b83669#pageNum=30 Gorzow racecard https://www.facebook.com/speedwayprograms/photos/pcb.2152011821640758/2152011744974099/ or pages 16 and 17 https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:1bf07fbd-aee9-4ae8-9447-43d4d2638004#pageNum=16 Edited April 8, 2022 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: Yes if necessary That’s not very good for the paying supporters, who of course are innocent in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Islander15 said: That’s not very good for the paying supporters, who of course are innocent in all of this. Never really understood the seemingly dislike for RR by some people... It keeps the meeting, and therefore the whole league and sport in that country, credible.. And means the actual team wins (not "six riders and a ringer" wins) thus maintaining true team spirit and the ethos of a proper team sport.. And also provides the six men with the potential to earn more money... You could argue that an injury means you are down to five men but two injuries mean you are down to five too, and given the nature of the sport injuries happen all the time and at any moment... Poland in particular have true strength in depth so RR can be no disadvantage, and the Polish authorities will also be very mindful of the unmitigated disaster that would befall them and the sport over there, if they allowed "guests" similar to how they are allowed over here.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Never really understood the seemingly dislike for RR by some people... It keeps the meeting, and therefore the whole league and sport in that country, credible.. And means the actual team wins (not "six riders and a ringer" wins) thus maintaining true team spirit and the ethos of a proper team sport.. And also provides the six men with the potential to earn more money... You could argue that an injury means you are down to five men but two injuries mean you are down to five too, and given the nature of the sport injuries happen all the time and at any moment... Poland in particular have true strength in depth so RR can be no disadvantage, and the Polish authorities will also be very mindful of the unmitigated disaster that would befall them and the sport over there, if they allowed "guests" similar to how they are allowed over here.. All very true- one thing that surprises me with Poland is that whilst they don`t make a big thing of averages, they do use them to decide who is in the top 3 and therefore if a rider is injured (has to be out for 15 days) RR can be used but no 1 above and any below rule which can make the team stronger using RR. Now with the banned riders RR- it covers a top 5 rider yet apparently still no 1 above and any below rule- we will have to wait and see how it all pans out starting tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Never really understood the seemingly dislike for RR by some people... It keeps the meeting, and therefore the whole league and sport in that country, credible.. And means the actual team wins (not "six riders and a ringer" wins) thus maintaining true team spirit and the ethos of a proper team sport.. And also provides the six men with the potential to earn more money... You could argue that an injury means you are down to five men but two injuries mean you are down to five too, and given the nature of the sport injuries happen all the time and at any moment... Poland in particular have true strength in depth so RR can be no disadvantage, and the Polish authorities will also be very mindful of the unmitigated disaster that would befall them and the sport over there, if they allowed "guests" similar to how they are allowed over here.. You’re assuming that guests are the only alternative option. I assumed teams would’ve been allowed to sign another rider given the circumstances. The problem with R/R is both injuries and out of form riders. As you say there can be 2 injuries in a meeting, but of course 1 injury is far more likely, and suddenly the side can be relatively very weak. Especially with the introduction of the U24 rider now who last season was often poor for a top 5 rider. Wrocław & Torun are lucky and still have 4 quality riders (or you could say unlucky as both would’ve felt a title challenge is more likely with their full teams). Compared to Grudziadz who are already relying on Nicki P and only need 1 other injury and KK to go 0, 0, 0 and suddenly they only have 2 riders left including their U24! One personal irritation about R/R is how it drags out meetings in England. However I’m sure the Polish meetings won’t be affected as badly by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Islander15 said: You’re assuming that guests are the only alternative option. I assumed teams would’ve been allowed to sign another rider given the circumstances. The problem with R/R is both injuries and out of form riders. As you say there can be 2 injuries in a meeting, but of course 1 injury is far more likely, and suddenly the side can be relatively very weak. Especially with the introduction of the U24 rider now who last season was often poor for a top 5 rider. Wrocław & Torun are lucky and still have 4 quality riders (or you could say unlucky as both would’ve felt a title challenge is more likely with their full teams). Compared to Grudziadz who are already relying on Nicki P and only need 1 other injury and KK to go 0, 0, 0 and suddenly they only have 2 riders left including their U24! One personal irritation about R/R is how it drags out meetings in England. However I’m sure the Polish meetings won’t be affected as badly by this. If you can name me 4 riders not riding for Polish teams who Lublin, Wroclaw, Grudziadz and Torun can sign to replace the banned Laguta brothers, Sayfutdinov and Tarasienko then i would be interested to hear their names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 12:41 PM, racers and royals said: Lublin 4 Tudziej 8 (Almost certainly Kubera) ?? Never heard of Tudziej, is it safe to assume that Kubera will get all his rides? Is Drabik still eligible for #8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Col said: Never heard of Tudziej, is it safe to assume that Kubera will get all his rides? Is Drabik still eligible for #8? Yes and no in order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: If you can name me 4 riders not riding for Polish teams who Lublin, Wroclaw, Grudziadz and Torun can sign to replace the banned Laguta brothers, Sayfutdinov and Tarasienko then i would be interested to hear their names. I knew that was coming! I’m not suggesting there are riders out there of the calibre of the Laguta brothers or Sayfutdinov, but at the least wouldn’t you rather have someone else in your squad to cover for an injury in the future? In previous seasons the team could track R/R, but now they’re already tracking R/R! But to answer your question (and I apologise if these have been signed by lower league teams that I haven’t noticed yet) but what about: Ellis, Thorssell, Pontus Aspgren, THJ, Loktaev, Huckenbeck, Wolbert, Smolinski, Harris, Ostergaard, Nikolaj Jakobsen or a couple of other Brits. These riders are comparable in standard to Tarasenko and would score a couple of points if Wrocław got Tai & Dan injured rather than using a U21 Pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, Col said: Never heard of Tudziej, is it safe to assume that Kubera will get all his rides? Is Drabik still eligible for #8? Drabik is 24, so no he can't ride at number 8. It's for U23s only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Islander15 said: I knew that was coming! I’m not suggesting there are riders out there of the calibre of the Laguta brothers or Sayfutdinov, but at the least wouldn’t you rather have someone else in your squad to cover for an injury in the future? In previous seasons the team could track R/R, but now they’re already tracking R/R! But to answer your question (and I apologise if these have been signed by lower league teams that I haven’t noticed yet) but what about: Ellis, Thorssell, Pontus Aspgren, THJ, Loktaev, Huckenbeck, Wolbert, Smolinski, Harris, Ostergaard, Nikolaj Jakobsen or a couple of other Brits. These riders are comparable in standard to Tarasenko and would score a couple of points if Wrocław got Tai & Dan injured rather than using a U21 Pole. All those mentioned are riding in Polish league https://speedwayteams2022.blogspot.com/p/denmark-2022.html the only one not is Ulrich and riders who ride in UK on Sunday`s regularly can`t commit to Poland. By the way Tarasienko is class- did you see him ride for Bydgoszcz last season ? Edited April 8, 2022 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 45 minutes ago, racers and royals said: All those mentioned are riding in Polish league https://speedwayteams2022.blogspot.com/p/denmark-2022.html the only one not is Ulrich and riders who ride in UK on Sunday`s regularly can`t commit to Poland. By the way Tarasienko is class- did you see him ride for Bydgoszcz last season ? Fair enough. I thought that’d be the outcome. There must be some random Brits who aren’t top flight standard but are worthy of signing up incase of an injury crisis though surely. I only regularly watched the Ekstraliga last season tbh but I intend to follow the 2 lower leagues as well this campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: There must be some random Brits who aren’t top flight standard but are worthy of signing up incase of an injury crisis though surely. No, because they're all riding in the Championship - most Championship clubs ride on the same night as Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Teams confirmed in Czestochowa Czestochowa 9 Madsen 10 Smektala 11 Woryna 12 Jeppesen 13 Lindgren 14 Swidnicki 15 Miskowiak 16 Kupiec Leszno 1 Doyle 2 Kolodziej 3 Bellego 4 Lidsey 5 Piotr Pawlicki 6 H Jablonski 7 A Mencel 8 Borowiak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 17 hours ago, racers and royals said: Friday April 8th Czestochowa v Leszno start time 5pm UK time Eleven Sport 1 Friday April 8th Gorzow v Lublin start time 7.30pm UK time Eleven Sport 1 links http://kergel.ucoz.lv/ http://www.drhtv.com.pl/drhtv-1.html https://daddylive.fun/stream/stream-71.php http://www.maniak.tv/mk1 VK maybe Czestochowa racecard https://www.facebook.com/speedwayprograms/photos/pcb.2152011821640758/2152011788307428/ or pages 30 and 31 https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:26db105e-49a6-4e2b-80b8-514400b83669#pageNum=30 Gorzow racecard https://www.facebook.com/speedwayprograms/photos/pcb.2152011821640758/2152011744974099/ or pages 16 and 17 https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:1bf07fbd-aee9-4ae8-9447-43d4d2638004#pageNum=16 To the top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 hours ago, racers and royals said: Yes and no in order. Big year for Kubera... I think he could break through into that very top level over the next two or three years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Nothing on VK but it looks like there was something 3 April. Bellego getting the practice laps alongside Doyle for Leszno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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