Roger Jacobs Posted March 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 10 hours ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: So an away team losing the superheat gets 1 point.... the same as losing by 6... They also lose the extra league point they earned by getting an away draw ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Checked calendar when I first read this but then realised it wasn't funny and wasn't a joke. Daft idea. It is OK in cup ties but not for league matches. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 One thing that is very odd (although perhaps expected as this is Speedway) is that such a huge change was not communicated in the past AGM statements In fact there has been no official announcement as far as I can see , just simply slipped into the new regulations to be seeped out via eagle eyed supporters..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Better idea would be 1 point for the draw for home team,2 points for away team ( as it was) ...then an extra point for the win of the superheat. Speaking of Eagle eyed supporters.... Ipswich admission is now £20 Edited March 11, 2022 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: One thing that is very odd (although perhaps expected as this is Speedway) is that such a huge change was not communicated in the past AGM statements In fact there has been no official announcement as far as I can see , just simply slipped into the new regulations to be seeped out via eagle eyed supporters..... Totally right. Just like the business of negotiations with the Polish clubs; only came out when Bewley put something on social media. Left the BSPL scrambling (again). The BSPL only use their PR machine to publicise matches etc but never to communicate to the supporters what it is going on in other important tissues. If the BSPL 'floated' an idea like this super heat business, they could get some feedback from paying fans. However, with this, they haven't even slipped it out. It is just in the regulations with no explanation as to why such a thing has been done. As far as I know, it has never been talked about and I have said it is daft but the BSPL have made no attempt to justify what they have done. They should have got in first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Well, they've done it again haven't they? They've had their meeting and someone has come up with some thought from the top of their head and they've all gone: "Oh, what a wizard idea" and voted it in. What happened in the Championship? Did they say: "That's a bit silly. The points system is already worked out to account for drawn matches" so just the Premiership voted it in? They even forgot to tell anyone, so a lot of people won't even know what is going on with the extra race, never mind the fact that the points scored are different to in every other heat. If they want to do this, then use it for cup matches not league matches. Daft. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: One thing that is very odd (although perhaps expected as this is Speedway) is that such a huge change was not communicated in the past AGM statements In fact there has been no official announcement as far as I can see , just simply slipped into the new regulations to be seeped out via eagle eyed supporters..... I should think it’s not been communicated because it’s took some time to sort it out. Maximum no of rides, tape and time exclusions, penalties etc for riders, falls on the first bend, machinery problems as a result of a first bend crash, or riders getting injured as a result all come into play and I should think as per usual the person thinking up this brainwave up hasn’t thought of any of these problems and just thought it would be a good idea, a bit like Promotion and Relegation and all the other super two or three year plans that get ditched after one year. This has proposed for Televised matches written all over it. And for the record their were four draws in the Premiership last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: Better idea would be 1 point for the draw for home team,2 points for away team ( as it was) ...then an extra point for the win of the superheat. Speaking of Eagle eyed supporters.... Ipswich admission is now £20 £20 really that's is crackers. Keeps me at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 hours ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: So an away team losing the superheat gets 1 point.... the same as losing by 6... Would they still get 1 point if they fail to provide a finisher in the superheat, making it a seven nil? This scenario may be unlikely, but not impossible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: There were four 45-45 scores in the Prem in 2021 - by definition, they were drawn results. The fact that the away team is rewarded with an extra league point is probably the main reason why this new Regulation makes no sense. Why give the home team the opportunity to rob the away team of a well-earned extra point? Without going into the detail, this looks like it would favour the top heavy (richer) teams. I've said it before alcohol should be banned from BSPL meetings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Any rider can take part in the Super Heat, even if they have had 7 outings. Super Heat scores are not included in Green Sheet averages. Super Heat scores have no relevance on Team totals so a 7-0 score still results in a 3-1 Match points. Edited March 11, 2022 by Gambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Gambo said: Any rider can take part in the Super Heat, even if they have had 7 outings. Super Heat scores are not included in Green Sheet averages. Super Heat scores have no relevance on Team totals so a 7-0 score still results in a 3-1 Match points. Without going into the detail, this looks like it would favour the top heavy (richer) teams. I've said it before alcohol should be banned from BSPL meetings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 It makes you question whether in the act of becoming a Speedway Promoter do these numpties forget all and disengage their brains from remembering what it is to be an actual supporter paying at the gate ? How often is a drawn match likely to be a reflection of a hard fought match that in the end we usually say 'a draw was a fair result' or 'It would be a shame for anyone to have lost tonight'. How often is a drawn match a 'bad result' that needs to be modified by an extra race ? And that after a nominated heat 15 anyway. And with the match points reflecting the away team's success at running so close as well. And a different crappy point scoring for that one race. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippy22 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 I just cannot see the point of this extra "super heat ". What is wrong with a draw in a League match? It has been fine since League Speedway started. Usually both teams supporters go home happy. It will just drag the match out, as most if not all the riders in the super heat, will have ridden in heat 15. So another long delay !!! The supporters dont seem keen on this, and it will cost the promoters more wages, as the riders wont be racing for nothing in this race. So why bring it in? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Yet another mad pointless idea. Bring back choose the rider via Twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 Why not do it BEFORE Heat One when the score is 0-0? Would save a fortune on wages by missing out the next 15 heats.. And, as so many complain about how long it takes to complete a meeting, it would mean the meeting finishes only a few minutes after the start time so everyone wouldnt be waiting around... Meaning all go home positive as to the way the meeting has been ran, which can only help in hopefully attracting them back again.. Also getting meetings done and dusted in five minutes or so, at any track, would also mean families could attend as kids would be home in good time so as not to impact their school work next day... Less wear and tear to man and machinery too, as less races means less tired riders, and less need for tuning, replacement parts, three bikes... etc etc.. It might even persuade some GP superstars over given it wont impact their racing schedule too much... I do think though that there needs to be rules around Guests, as if there is only one race per meeting, then each team can only have a maximum of two Guests each... Anything more and it could become a bit of a nonsense... 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 I wonder which promoter(s) thought of this idea? With only 6 teams in the Premiership, it must have taken ages to get a result(sorry no 3-3 voting, it has to be a majority vote). Even the Speedway Star has not put out this story so it must have been thought of in this last week. What result will be given if meetings are curtailed by rain & it is a draw after 10 or more heats(the result stands)? I can see this rule being moth-balled before the season starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: I wonder which promoter(s) thought of this idea? With only 6 teams in the Premiership, it must have taken ages to get a result(sorry no 3-3 voting, it has to be a majority vote). Even the Speedway Star has not put out this story so it must have been thought of in this last week. What result will be given if meetings are curtailed by rain & it is a draw after 10 or more heats(the result stands)? I can see this rule being moth-balled before the season starts. If the meeting is curtailed and the score is a draw, the match points will be 1-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Gambo said: If the meeting is curtailed and the score is a draw, the match points will be 1-1. Won't the away team get 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Won't the away team get 2? You might think so, but the rule specifically says not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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