HenryW Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 The more I think about it, the more I think that in the GP series Emil and Artem should not be involved if the current fighting in Ukraine continues. It's hard on them, but anything else just seems to be unacceptable whilst the fighting continues. I know that speedway is close to being completely ignored by Russian federations, and their exclusion probably won't even create a ripple in Russia, but a stand really has to be made... As a fan of GP speedway, I can honestly say that I hate the thought of having to watch Jack Holder and Dan Bewley rather than Artem Laguta and Emil Sayfutdinov in a GP, but if that has to be, it's the fault of Putin....I would love to hear all Russian speedway riders shout out about their hate for what Putin is doing, regardless of how irrelevant their voice is compared to some other much bigger sports stars, but it doesn't seem to be coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 hours ago, HenryW said: ....I would love to hear all Russian speedway riders shout out about their hate for what Putin is doing, regardless of how irrelevant their voice is compared to some other much bigger sports stars, but it doesn't seem to be coming. That might be partly down to a news story I saw a couple of days ago, saying that any Russian spreading what it called "fake news" about what Russia is doing in Ukraine will face up to 15 years in prison. There is also, of course, the risk of getting something nasty put on your door knob if you live overseas. It is not as easy as we, in the west, might think. Maybe that is why Emil has deleted his Twitter account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) What I am finding most disturbing about this sorry episode is the sudden lets cancel anybody or anything that is Russian. It is becoming borderline racism and ironically the same people who are getting very vocal about it all are the same people who got very vocal about the Black Lives Matter movement. Double standards one has to ask. Not every Russian agrees with or even likes Putin. We must remember that. But I suppose in this day and age of social media everybody loves a bandwagon to jump on. I imagine Alexander the Meerkat will be next on the cancel list but I think that irritating rodent has already got his claws in lots of Putin pies! Edited March 5, 2022 by JamesHarris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, JamesHarris said: What I am finding most disturbing about this sorry episode is the sudden lets cancel anybody or anything that is Russian. It is becoming borderline racism and ironically the same people who are getting very vocal about it all are the same people who got very vocal about the Black Lives Matter movement. Double standards one has to ask. Not every Russian agrees with or even likes Putin. We must remember that. But I suppose in this day and age of social media everybody loves a bandwagon to jump on. I imagine Alexander the Meerkat will be next on the cancel list but I think that irritating rodent has already got his claws in lots of Putin pies! Another one that doesn't get it. Thankfully, as of today HaasF1 have terminate Mazepin's contract. All sports are slowly catching up 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Banning everything Russian may well have the opposite effect with Russian people and they might start agreeing with Putin that the West is bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, eric i said: Banning everything Russian may well have the opposite effect with Russian people and they might start agreeing with Putin that the West is bad. Then so be it. If they do unite and support this tyrannical regime then they should continue to be excluded. A terrible shame when globally we do need to unite on a number of fronts but we have to be clear that the actions of the Putin regime are not acceptable to the rest of society. What they decide to do in Russia is entirely their (or Putin's) choice. The west is far from a perfect utopia but we're all sure that invading another country and murdering innocent civilians isn't okay aren't we? Soo the west isn't right on everything but on this it certainly is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, enotian said: Then so be it. If they do unite and support this tyrannical regime then they should continue to be excluded. A terrible shame when globally we do need to unite on a number of fronts but we have to be clear that the actions of the Putin regime are not acceptable to the rest of society. What they decide to do in Russia is entirely their (or Putin's) choice. The west is far from a perfect utopia but we're all sure that invading another country and murdering innocent civilians isn't okay aren't we? Soo the west isn't right on everything but on this it certainly is. I think this comes down to how the Russian people perceive this action of banning everything Russian, will they see it as Putin's regime being unacceptable or will they see it as the West picking on the average Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, JamesHarris said: What I am finding most disturbing about this sorry episode is the sudden lets cancel anybody or anything that is Russian. It is becoming borderline racism and ironically the same people who are getting very vocal about it all are the same people who got very vocal about the Black Lives Matter movement. Double standards one has to ask. Not every Russian agrees with or even likes Putin. We must remember that. But I suppose in this day and age of social media everybody loves a bandwagon to jump on. I imagine Alexander the Meerkat will be next on the cancel list but I think that irritating rodent has already got his claws in lots of Putin pies! Oh dear. It's the regime that is being opposed. Not the Russian people. But how do you send a clear message to the regime that their actions will not be tolerated? Ban Putin from riding in the SGP? Don't allow him personally from accessing products/services from the west? The minimum we can do is send this message to the Russian public, the actions of your leaders are not acceptable and therefore you're no longer welcome as part of the global community. This represents a minor inconvenience to the Russian people compared to what the people of Ukraine are being subjected to but it is only the people of Russia who can plausibly end this regime without the situation literally going nuclear. As per an earlier post it might not work and the Russian public may support Putin and nothing will be resolved. That's their right. But it doesn't change the message. We don't want these regressive, aggressive nations to be part of the global community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, JamesHarris said: What I am finding most disturbing about this sorry episode is the sudden lets cancel anybody or anything that is Russian. It is becoming borderline racism and ironically the same people who are getting very vocal about it all are the same people who got very vocal about the Black Lives Matter movement. Double standards one has to ask. Not every Russian agrees with or even likes Putin. We must remember that. But I suppose in this day and age of social media everybody loves a bandwagon to jump on. I imagine Alexander the Meerkat will be next on the cancel list but I think that irritating rodent has already got his claws in lots of Putin pies! I've never posted on the Forum about Black Lives Matter and I am not jumping on any bandwagon, what I am doing is voicing my opinion about Putin and his cronies walking into and murdering innocent people and I don't like what is happening. Short of sending in troops from outside of Ukraine and starting WWIII we have to hope the sanctions, which includes stopping Russian sports people competing abroad unfortunately, start to take effect. Yes the ordinary Russian people will probably think the West are picking on them but why will they think that, the answer is simple because the tyrant in charge of Russia blocks all the news broadcasts that he doesn't like that people could watch and any Russian who does dare to speak out puts their lives and that of their families in danger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, eric i said: I think this comes down to how the Russian people perceive this action of banning everything Russian, will they see it as Putin's regime being unacceptable or will they see it as the West picking on the average Russian. True. And I don't know the intellect level your average Russian but I'd hope that if they do feel like they're being 'picked on' they'd then ask themselves why. If the message from the global community is clear and consistent then they can consume that information and decide for themselves if these exclusions are justifiable or not. Difficult when we've all been subjected to media brainwashing over a number of years. I'm reading Animal Farm at the minute. In the current climate it's a fascinating read. If I went to a football match and verbally abused a black player and was banned. If I was a moron I'd think I was being picked on. If I had any sense I'd listen to why I was banned and decide if I think it's justified. If I didn't then I'd be a massive racist and get what I deserve. If I'd realise the error of my ways I'd hopefully change them realising they weren't acceptable to the football community and simply wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, eric i said: I think this comes down to how the Russian people perceive this action of banning everything Russian, will they see it as Putin's regime being unacceptable or will they see it as the West picking on the average Russian. I think it comes down to how normal Russian people perceive everything. After all people are demonstrating against the war, but are being arrested. They are not allowed to post or say anything against the government opinion. So it seems some or many know things are wrong and don’t support Putin. It is a matter of how many and how high up in the echelons they are. I have seen a report that one or 2 Oligarchs are against the war. Maybe over time one or two generals will also decide things aren’t right and maybe something will change. Certainly nothing will change if everyone ignores it and just let’s things carry on as normal, including letting Russian athletes compete under a neutral flag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, iris123 said: I think it comes down to how normal Russian people perceive everything. After all people are demonstrating against the war, but are being arrested. They are not allowed to post or say anything against the government opinion. So it seems some or many know things are wrong and don’t support Putin. It is a matter of how many and how high up in the echelons they are. I have seen a report that one or 2 Oligarchs are against the war. Maybe over time one or two generals will also decide things aren’t right and maybe something will change. Certainly nothing will change if everyone ignores it and just let’s things carry on as normal, including letting Russian athletes compete under a neutral flag I largely agree but I don't think Russian Oligarchs care about whether Russian athletes compete or not, they just care about their own finances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 FIM news: https://www.fim-moto.com/en/news/news-detail/article/fim-announces-its-decisions-in-relation-to-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR2_h-ZaIs1isQdQWqokQXM_mV4OPLxjDBJWEdBFfHAL4Wdx3FBzv2xKZ9k 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said: FIM news: https://www.fim-moto.com/en/news/news-detail/article/fim-announces-its-decisions-in-relation-to-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR2_h-ZaIs1isQdQWqokQXM_mV4OPLxjDBJWEdBFfHAL4Wdx3FBzv2xKZ9k That's it then. No surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Out of the Polish league as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said: FIM news: https://www.fim-moto.com/en/news/news-detail/article/fim-announces-its-decisions-in-relation-to-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR2_h-ZaIs1isQdQWqokQXM_mV4OPLxjDBJWEdBFfHAL4Wdx3FBzv2xKZ9k Correct decision, in my opinion. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Only a matter of time after the F1 had made similar moves. Does that push Jack Holder and Dan Bewley into the series as 1st and 2nd reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Goddard Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Or would it be the next two from the GP Challenge, which I think was Kolodziej and Smolinski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, DJC said: Only a matter of time after the F1 had made similar moves. Does that push Jack Holder and Dan Bewley into the series as 1st and 2nd reserves? 1 minute ago, Dave Goddard said: Or would it be the next two from the GP Challenge, which I think was Kolodziej and Smolinski? Has to be Holder and Bewley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Such a shame for the sport, the series and those individuals but it is the correct decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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