Bandit59 Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 Concessions,oaps, seniors ,does this mean over 65s I've been told I need to work till I'm 67 to get a pension so don't become an OAP till then !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bandit59 said: Concessions,oaps, seniors ,does this mean over 65s I've been told I need to work till I'm 67 to get a pension so don't become an OAP till then !!!! I'd think -- but dont quote me -- it is reasonable for a theatre, football club, circus, speedway club to offer reduced prices for pensioners. Anyone not yet elugible for state pension might be presumed ti be working, and therefore able to pay full whack . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, crescent girl said: it is reasonable for a theatre, football club, circus, speedway club to offer reduced prices for pensioners Why is it "reasonable" when the costs of bread milk, groceries, clothes and other essentials isn't reduced? To say it's "reasonable" implies a logical thought process that presumably comes out of a sense of entitlement. That "entitlement" comes at the cost of the people whose incomes are reduced for the custom of such "entitled" people. I spoke to a promoter a few years ago, whose headline adult admission cost was £15 (shows how long ago it was lol) but whose "average revenue per person" was only £11 after all the concessions had been factored in. Assuming an attendance of 1,000, that's £4 per person, or £4,000 that's being lost to the business every week. I'm sure that those self-same people feel just as "entitled" to their speedway fix, well there'll come a time when it''ll be one thing or another, they won't be able to have both. Edited March 13, 2022 by uk_martin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, uk_martin said: Why is it "reasonable" when the costs of bread milk, groceries, clothes and other essentials isn't reduced? To say it's "reasonable" implies a logical thought process that presumably comes out of a sense of entitlement. That "entitlement" comes at the cost of the people whose incomes are reduced for the custom of such "entitled" people. I spoke to a promoter a few years ago, whose headline adult admission cost was £15 (shows how long ago it was lol) but whose "average revenue per person" was only £11 after all the concessions had been factored in. Assuming an attendance of 1,000, that's £4 per person, or £4,000 that's being lost to the business every week. I'm sure that those self-same people feel just as "entitled" to their speedway fix, well there'll come a time when it''ll be one thing or another, they won't be able to have both. The "Grey Pound" is one of the most sought after... Simply because many of those who have retired are a lot more "bomb proof" from external financial factors that those who still are working and raising families are... The disposable income of pensioners given so many now have private pensions bought around the 80's/90's is considerably higher than the generation that has gone before, and the next generation of pensioners will be even better off with many having also made fortunes in their property before down sizing... My old man is 84, lives by himself, and has much more disposable income than me, with mortgage, kids etc... The 65 year old pensioner of today was born in the late fifties, hence were 30 somethings in the 80's when share ownership became the "norm" for so many, as were ISA's etc, and have benefited from high employment levels for the most part, huge house price increases, and also excellent health and nutrition improvements in relation to their parents, which means many are still very active... No real reason to charge them less to be honest... Tracks would be much better charging a family of four admission with a healthy discount, as they are the social group which invariably only make a small percentage total of those who currently attend... And will be the ones most severely impacted by the cost of inflation rises... Edited March 13, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 hours ago, mikebv said: The "Grey Pound" is one of the most sought after... Simply because many of those who have retired are a lot more "bomb proof" from external financial factors that those who still are working and raising families are... The disposable income of pensioners given so many now have private pensions bought around the 80's/90's is considerably higher than the generation that has gone before, and the next generation of pensioners will be even better off with many having also made fortunes in their property before down sizing... My old man is 84, lives by himself, and has much more disposable income than me, with mortgage, kids etc... The 65 year old pensioner of today was born in the late fifties, hence were 30 somethings in the 80's when share ownership became the "norm" for so many, as were ISA's etc, and have benefited from high employment levels for the most part, huge house price increases, and also excellent health and nutrition improvements in relation to their parents, which means many are still very active... No real reason to charge them less to be honest... Tracks would be much better charging a family of four admission with a healthy discount, as they are the social group which invariably only make a small percentage total of those who currently attend... And will be the ones most severely impacted by the cost of inflation rises... Seeing that a typical speedway crowed looks as if it’s made up of 75% pensioners. Put their entry up to Normal price and you would loose a lot of the crowd. Don’t forgot that Sunday suspended the triple factor pension rise because 8% didn’t suit them, instead this year we get 3.1%, yet inflation at the time was 8% and is again. We get the same gas/electric increases, food price increases, council tax, what savings we may have we still get the same miserable interest as everyone else. My pension is half of the national average. For you to be saying we are well off I can tell you we are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: Seeing that a typical speedway crowed looks as if it’s made up of 75% pensioners. Put their entry up to Normal price and you would loose a lot of the crowd. Don’t forgot that Sunday suspended the triple factor pension rise because 8% didn’t suit them, instead this year we get 3.1%, yet inflation at the time was 8% and is again. We get the same gas/electric increases, food price increases, council tax, what savings we may have we still get the same miserable interest as everyone else. My pension is half of the national average. For you to be saying we are well off I can tell you we are not. I take it not all pensioners are "loaded" of course.. However.. Given so many pensioners go v families who attend, I would suggest that many of those would still go regardless of whether they get three or four pound off, as that really wouldn't be "make or break" for too many I would think, given if they can afford the current cost to get in then finding less than a fiver more shouldn't be beyond them.. (If their desire to watch Speedway is sufficiently there in the first place that is)... 250 pensioners paying four quid more though is a grand each week, which if your run 20 matches is £20k extra a season, a fair % increase on total revenue I would suggest given the pretty low base the sports' income starts from.. I personally think Speedway is going to suffer badly over this summer with all the large hikes in the cost of living and the fact that many will be spending their time (and money), enjoying holidays abroad again... With Speedway being well down the pecking order in the priority listings.. My own cost of living rises in April by circa £200 a month if the current fuel costs dont drop, as Gas/Electric, Council Tax, and NI rises kick in.. Therefore getting the price "right" could be fundamental to survival for some, if not for many... An interesting season ahead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Mike, just because your dad is ok does not mean every senior is. Your saying a pensioner can afford an extra £4 or £5 per meeting so some family can get in cheaper….. I think you judging things wrongly. Seniors are stuck with rises just the same as a younger one, and seniors, mostly, are not in a position to go out and earn additional income. If seniors stop going to meetings speedway will be right in the dumps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Mike, just because your dad is ok does not mean every senior is. Your saying a pensioner can afford an extra £4 or £5 per meeting so some family can get in cheaper….. I think you judging things wrongly. Seniors are stuck with rises just the same as a younger one, and seniors, mostly, are not in a position to go out and earn additional income. If seniors stop going to meetings speedway will be right in the dumps. Isn't it already? Speedway can't afford to lose any customers, but attracting new (younger) fans through the turnstiles is a must if the sport is to survive in the 'longer term'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 13 hours ago, mikebv said: II personally think Speedway is going to suffer badly over this summer with all the large hikes in the cost of living and the fact that many will be spending their time (and money), enjoying holidays abroad again... With Speedway being well down the pecking order in the priority listings.. My own cost of living rises in April by circa £200 a month if the current fuel costs dont drop, as Gas/Electric, Council Tax, and NI rises kick in.. Therefore getting the price "right" could be fundamental to survival for some, if not for many... An interesting season ahead... I agree. My monthly income is a mere £636.39 a month now that my wife has died. So all forms of social life have virtually got to stop for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mimmo said: I agree. My monthly income is a mere £636.39 a month now that my wife has died. So all forms of social life have virtually got to stop for me. Don’t know why your income is so low when gov pension is more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 59 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Don’t know why your income is so low when gov pension is more than that. The new pension is more, the old pension isnt.! I am another one stuck on the old system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, StevePark said: Isn't it already? Speedway can't afford to lose any customers, but attracting new (younger) fans through the turnstiles is a must if the sport is to survive in the 'longer term'. Of course new fans need to come through the gates, but not at the expense of charging older ones more, i reckon more older ones will leave then the new ones coming in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Of course new fans need to come through the gates, but not at the expense of charging older ones more, i reckon more older ones will leave then the new ones coming in. You are quite right, of course. I didn't mean that older fans should be alienated, which is why I said the sport can't afford to lose any customers. Perhaps I worded it badly, if so, I apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, StevePark said: You are quite right, of course. I didn't mean that older fans should be alienated, which is why I said the sport can't afford to lose any customers. Perhaps I worded it badly, if so, I apologise. I know what you were saying Steve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: The new pension is more, the old pension isnt.! I am another one stuck on the old system. Oh ok didn't know that the old pension was that much worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Don’t know why your income is so low when gov pension is more than that. Purely and simply because I'm on a reduced state pension, as I had to give up work when I was aged 42, and am now 78, through health issues, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mimmo said: Purely and simply because I'm on a reduced state pension, as I had to give up work when I was aged 42, and am now 78, through health issues, Oh I see, sorry to hear that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: Oh ok didn't know that the old pension was that much worse It is about £40 per week different. So when there is a 3.1% increase (instead of 8%) those on the lower pension get less a rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mimmo said: Purely and simply because I'm on a reduced state pension, as I had to give up work when I was aged 42, and am now 78, through health issues, No doubt you've looked at any benefits you're entitled too. I had a shock when I looked on the Government state pension page late last year, I don't qualify for a state pension till I'm 67, I've been in continual employment with the same employer since 1979 I have to pay at that time another 4 years NI contributions to get my full state pension. PS Sorry to hear of the loss of your wife, my condolences Edited March 14, 2022 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, foreverblue said: Don’t know why your income is so low when gov pension is more than that. no it's not .... 576.32 every 4 weeks I get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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