mikebv Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, enotian said: I wonder if lots of the streaming subscriptions are from 'lapsed' fans, who no longer have a local team to follow, if the BSPL will reconsider allowing teams without a home track to compete? For example if there are a load of Cradley Heath fans out there would you get more subscribing if a team representing them was in action? Obviously not as a league team but maybe in a stand alone pairs of 4TT competition, where you wouldn't need to stage a home fixture. Sure the link would be tenuous but if there was a fixed pair or four branded as the Heathens then those 'lapsed' fans could identify with them. In general if you're trying to sell streaming matches/subscriptions to as many folk as possible the more teams involved in each fixture broadcast the better. That way you're appealing to a wider market and less reliant on neutral customers. Ultimately will a successful streaming channel end up in the formation of a bespoke pairs or 4TT competition, to maximise subscriptions? Leaving the 7 man team league competition to the hardcore following? I think those in charge have made it clear that 'nomad teams' were very much off the agenda.. I do think your idea does have some mileage though... In the SS interview it does say that 'lapsed fans' are very much a target market... And that market is much greater I would say than those who currently go.... Championship League Riders Final, 4TT's etc could be a possible decent money spinner given, as you say, many teams' involvement and the bonus being both comps would deliver a credible offering with no guests.... It may encourage all the "stars" to turn up too given a wider exposure... Edited February 10, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) A lot of fantastical wishful thinking being employed here to justify the operating model they have chosen. Most people remain very 'their team' orientated. That is why so many do not migrate to their next nearest track when 'theirs' closes. If you were a Swindon, Reading or Coventry fan and were amenable to watching teams that were not your own, then the option to go elsewhere was there. And those that did, and continue to do so, may find this good news. Saves travelling. But the so-called target audience are those that didn't want that at all, and were lost to the sport because 'their' team closed; they will remain lost as there is nothing new here that resurrects their dead team for them to be enticed back. Just a load of matches between teams that do not have their interest at all. Edited February 10, 2022 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Grand Central said: A lot of fantastical wishful thinking being employed here to justify the operating model they have chosen. Most people remain very 'their team' orientated. That is why so many do not migrate to their next nearest track when 'theirs' closes. If you were a Swindon, Reading or Coventry fan and were amenable to watching teams that were not your own, then the option to go elsewhere was there. And those that did, and continue to do so, may find this good news. Saves travelling. But the so-called target audience are those that didn't want that at all, and were lost to the sport because 'their' team closed; they will remain lost as there is nothing new here that resurrects their dead team for them to be enticed back. Just a load of matches between teams that do not have their interest at all. Who says that’s the total target audience ? When ‘ my team ‘ are featured away from home and I’m not able to attend I’ll be tuning in to watch and so will many , many of the clubs fans who can’t/ won’t travel to the likes of Poole or Plymouth mid week. It’s not all aimed at non attenders who don’t have a home track. Only time will tell how it affects every club but Edinburgh and Redcar think it worked for them last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Who says that’s the total target audience ? When ‘ my team ‘ are featured away from home and I’m not able to attend I’ll be tuning in to watch and so will many , many of the clubs fans who can’t/ won’t travel to the likes of Poole or Plymouth mid week. It’s not all aimed at non attenders who don’t have a home track. Only time will tell how it affects every club but Edinburgh and Redcar think it worked for them last season. NO one AFAIK ever mentioned 'total target audience' ... Except you. I was just talking about that particular element as mentioned in SS by the people involved, and expanded on by others here. Edited February 10, 2022 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: I think those in charge have made it clear that 'nomad teams' were very much off the agenda.. Money talks. Not sure why they outlawed them as I assume they'd add a few to the attendance even for a 2nd half. But with streaming it's potentially somewhat more lucrative. You could even solve the double up/down fiasco. Create a standalone (think the Hundred) 16 franchise league, run on a 4TT basis so distinct from the PL and CL. Made up of some active tracks and some ghost franchises (Heathens, Hammers, Don's, Racers, Falcon's etc). Each franchise has five home matches and 15 away. Ghost franchises home matches held at a neutral track (i.e. Heathens at Wolverhampton/Birmingham) or at one of the other three tracks in the fixture. That would give the 16 teams and 64 riders 20 fixtures (plus grand final(s)) replacing the need to ride in both the PL and CL. The PL could remain at the same level (maybe add Poole and Glasgow) with the CL standard reduced to a sustainable CL/NL hybrid using British based riders only, with only U21 british riders allowed to double up to aid their career path. Regardless, if you've identified a bigger market, via streaming, you've then got to consider what that bigger market wants to see. I'd venture that's not one sided home wins with limited action on a poorly prepared track. So it's not just about finding a new way to sell your product but also how that product can be improved to appeal to the larger market. Interesting to see how this pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Grand Central said: A lot of fantastical wishful thinking being employed here to justify the operating model they have chosen. Most people remain very 'their team' orientated. That is why so many do not migrate to their next nearest track when 'theirs' closes. If you were a Swindon, Reading or Coventry fan and were amenable to watching teams that were not your own, then the option to go elsewhere was there. And those that did, and continue to do so, may find this good news. Saves travelling. But the so-called target audience are those that didn't want that at all, and were lost to the sport because 'their' team closed; they will remain lost as there is nothing new here that resurrects their dead team for them to be enticed back. Just a load of matches between teams that do not have their interest at all. The way I read the story in the Star was that the lapsed fan was just one of their target audiences and not their sole business model. Other than screening the current championship teams racing against each other, I’m not sure what else the BSN could be designed to do. Ive read here lots of times that speedway should be aiming to pull in fans outside the existing fan base, and I can’t see a problem in aiming to do that. What do you think that BSN should be doing if not showing the current championship. What else could they show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 I’ve just seen the prices and for just about the first time in my life time following British Speedway, I think it’s decent value. £11.99 per match, 17.99 monthly or £109 for the season. If you are a general speedway fan who watches any match on TV then £109 for over 30 matches represents pretty good value I would say. Likewise the £11.99 for one match isn’t high enough to make people stay home who would normally go but reasonable to expect an away fan to pay it. Decent value all round. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Najjer said: I’ve just seen the prices and for just about the first time in my life time following British Speedway, I think it’s decent value. £11.99 per match, 17.99 monthly or £109 for the season. If you are a general speedway fan who watches any match on TV then £109 for over 30 matches represents pretty good value I would say. Likewise the £11.99 for one match isn’t high enough to make people stay home who would normally go but reasonable to expect an away fan to pay it. Decent value all round. If that`s decent value - wonder what you think Fanseat streaming represents ? All Swedish and Danish top flight league matches plus French league- a total of over 140 matches available live and on demand for around £ 100( 9 months- price not announced yet to include Denmark) I know what i`m going to pay for Edited February 11, 2022 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Najjer said: I’ve just seen the prices and for just about the first time in my life time following British Speedway, I think it’s decent value. £11.99 per match, 17.99 monthly or £109 for the season. If you are a general speedway fan who watches any match on TV then £109 for over 30 matches represents pretty good value I would say. Likewise the £11.99 for one match isn’t high enough to make people stay home who would normally go but reasonable to expect an away fan to pay it. Decent value all round. I think the pricing structure is spot on.... My only concern is around how much Speedway is currently available to watch and whether that will impact it... I can watch the top leagues in the UK Monday, Sweden Tuesday, Denmark Wednesday, Poland Friday and Sunday, and GP/SEC on a Saturday... As well as 2nd and 3rd Div in Poland Saturday and Sunday.. That is a lot of Speedway... Hope it works out... Another spin off which may be worth pursuing is similar to the way some Sunday League Football teams are making big money out of doing their own highlight streams post match, on YouTube, with plenty of background interviews with the players, making many of them very well known, and making them "personalities" locally who are subsequently being recognised within those local communities.. Local communities who recognise the teams and players, go to watch the matches, but also benefit from the raised profiles of the teams through charity contributions raised by the clubs.. A couple of thousand or so "subscribers" to a clubs YouTube channel would certainly be a plus... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 I think I will wait and subscribe just for October at £17.99 as I'm likely to get 12 of the 30 matches for that price 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think I will wait and subscribe just for October at £17.99 as I'm likely to get 12 of the 30 matches for that price You jest... But actually I bet there would be a massive take up just to watch the play offs only at the end of the season ... Is this part of a well thought out 'strategy' or just something they have not yet twigged ? Edited February 11, 2022 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 17 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think I will wait and subscribe just for October at £17.99 as I'm likely to get 12 of the 30 matches for that price Think these maybe introductory prices....bet they will be a lot more if you sign in October Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, FromBendThree said: Think these maybe introductory prices....bet they will be a lot more if you sign in October The season pass is introductory as far as I can see The monthly and one off prices appear to be the standard from how I read the release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, FromBendThree said: Think these maybe introductory prices....bet they will be a lot more if you sign in October You would surely put a "Play Off Package" together seperately wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The season pass is introductory as far as I can see The monthly and one off prices appear to be the standard from how I read the release The advert says early bird prices for both monthly and yearly so I’d be amazed if you could sign up for the playoffs for that price 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 22 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think I will wait and subscribe just for October at £17.99 as I'm likely to get 12 of the 30 matches for that price You can't be too clever, there's only 10 playoff matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 2:25 PM, racers and royals said: If that`s decent value - wonder what you think Fanseat streaming represents ? All Swedish and Danish top flight league matches plus French league- a total of over 140 matches available live and on demand for around £ 100( 9 months- price not announced yet to include Denmark) I know what i`m going to pay for Fanseat is a very different model so possibly unfair to be compared. They only show meetings that are currently broadcast elsewhere by TV companies, ie they have the rights to show Eurosport meetings outside the UK. Eurosport produce the meeting. They can charge as little as £100 for 140 matches as they're not actually producing the meetings. BSN will have to produce the Championship meetings as they're not available elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think I will wait and subscribe just for October at £17.99 as I'm likely to get 12 of the 30 matches for that price Plus you'll have access to the previous 20 matches from earlier in the season as they say they'll stay available all year on demand. Edited February 12, 2022 by RoundTheBoards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Marshall07 said: Fanseat is a very different model so possibly unfair to be compared. They only show meetings that are currently broadcast elsewhere by TV companies, ie they have the rights to show Eurosport meetings outside the UK. Eurosport produce the meeting. They can charge as little as £100 for 140 matches as they're not actually producing the meetings. BSN will have to produce the Championship meetings as they're not available elsewhere. Absolute rubbish comment re Fanseat !!! - (90% of the output is NON TV matches) for Sweden, Denmark and France - which is the 140 meetings approx- i did not include the Premiership as that`s not available in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 11 hours ago, racers and royals said: Absolute rubbish comment re Fanseat !!! - (90% of the output is NON TV matches) for Sweden, Denmark and France - which is the 140 meetings approx- i did not include the Premiership as that`s not available in the UK. The Swedish and Danish matches are available on TV in their respective countries. All the Swedish matches are actually filmed for ESS (Thier own version of BSN). FanSeat take a feed from these broadcasts, they do not create the broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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