LagutaRacingFan Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Well they don't run GP's now so we'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, KeirStarmerFan said: How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. Whether today's race was much more exciting than speedway is a matter of preference. Other than a bit of 'first bend bunching' and a contrived finish I thought it was run of the mill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, KeirStarmerFan said: How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. Because it is run by amateurs who have continually failed to market the product. Those in charge would have trouble making a corner shop successful let alone an entertainment product that could be so good if they had imagination and the foresight to promote it for what it is, four riders racing hell for leather for four laps on machines with no brakes and that in itself requires a specific set of skill sets. No instead let’s piss about with rules that no one understands, teams that are not unique with double up/down and a series of league meetings which mean dick all as you have a system of play offs that mean you need only ride to a certain standard, get guests and win the championship with a group of riders who have been brought together to boost the ego of the club owner. The sport is a joke and until it is managed professionally with clubs towing an external party line, it will never attract serious sponsorship or attract main stream publicity be it press, radio or television. It has a group of hard core ageing fans watching the decline in this country of sport that in its current form is part of a bygone era. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Hawk127 said: Because it is run by amateurs who have continually failed to market the product. Those in charge would have trouble making a corner shop successful let alone an entertainment product that could be so good if they had imagination and the foresight to promote it for what it is, four riders racing hell for leather for four laps on machines with no brakes and that in itself requires a specific set of skill sets. No instead let’s piss about with rules that no one understands, teams that are not unique with double up/down and a series of league meetings which mean dick all as you have a system of play offs that mean you need only ride to a certain standard, get guests and win the championship with a group of riders who have been brought together to boost the ego of the club owner. The sport is a joke and until it is managed professionally with clubs towing an external party line, it will never attract serious sponsorship or attract main stream publicity be it press, radio or television. It has a group of hard core ageing fans watching the decline in this country of sport that in its current form is part of a bygone era. Yes..... But apart from all that? ..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 hours ago, KeirStarmerFan said: How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. A billion pound Global sport run for years by the likes of Ecclestone and funded by Global sponsors and massive Global brands. At least give Speedway a fair competitor to match it's prowess against??... Something like Rugby League may be a fair comparison. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Give me speedway over F1 anyday even in the state speedway finds itself in ,I watched almost every F1 race for years (Prost ,Senna & Co) but have not watched a single race since Schuie retired the first time . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Not interested in formula one racing. I watched formula two at Crystal Palace when i was a kid, but it never grew on me. I always preferred speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 13 hours ago, KeirStarmerFan said: How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. If u thought that was a "classic" u need specsavers practice for 3 days put the fastest at the front and call it racing! it is the biggest non sport their is just in front of american football , cant help laugh at sky paying all that money for a load of crap ! Oh soz that was football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, geoff100 said: it is the biggest non sport their is just in front of american football NO! I won't have that... you're forgetting Tennis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Who would benefit from Speedway becoming a global money making machine like F1? A very small number of riders, maybe 10 who competed at the highest level without paying for their ride. Grass roots motorsport gets no benefits from F1 so a super high profile Speedway GP series would have no benefits for the sport in the UK apart from 1 meeting a year attended for free by a lot of people with no interest and thousands of others for who it would be the only meeting of the year, just like F1. No thanks! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, KeirStarmerFan said: How is our great sport a million miles from F1. I watched today's classic race and it is so much more exciting than speedway. The BSI have failed speedway. In very simple terms, the winner of the F1 World Championship is the world's best driver. The winner of the men's 100m is the world's fastest man. The World Heavyweight Champion is the toughest man in the world. Those things will always cut through because they are meaningful to most people on the planet. Being the best to slide a bike round an oval dirt circuit on machines no-one has heard of, is meaningless to the vast majority of the planet. Excitement is a matter of opinion, I have always found speedway a whole lot more interesting than F1 and always will. It's preaching to the choir on a speedway forum of course. We are obviously in the minority globally and that won't change. Speedway just has to present itself a lot better in the key markets who are interested. Of course the marketing and packaging leaves a lot to be desired. But - in my opinion - BSI are the least guilty party in this area. Most of the SGPs are at least comparable with most other "global" sport series in terms of spectacle. Anything served up by the BSPA is a notable step down from any major domestic events from other sports. Edited December 13, 2021 by falcace 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, falcace said: Anything served up by the BSPA is a notable step down from any major domestic events from other sports. Eg The British Final... In and around Manchester there has been virtually zero advertising either via visual adverts around the city, or local media audio and visual coverage since it has been there... 2.5 million people live within a 45 min travelling radius and a sporting national championship is taking part close to their homes.. At a track a stones throw away from a city centre which attracts 100's of thousands each week to work or play.. The flagship of the countries domestic calendar, and the pinnacle award for any GB rider domestically... Every team should be made to set aside budgets for these key meetings. Instead, massive sums are spent on riders collectively who make hardly any difference to a crowd level by their presence or not, yet very little is spent in comparison on advertising that may make a positive impact to crowd numbers... A strange plan indeed... Edited December 13, 2021 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Difference is there is credibility in either Max or Lewis being World champion, more so than Team GB winning the SON, or a team finishing in the bottom half of the league becoming champions, that is the difference between F1 and Speedway. Speedway is - lets have a long drawn out competition and then just toss a coin and render all before it meaningless. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, marko said: Difference is there is credibility in either Max or Lewis being World champion, more so than Team GB winning the SON, or a team finishing in the bottom half of the league becoming champions, that is the difference between F1 and Speedway. Speedway is - lets have a long drawn out competition and then just toss a coin and render all before it meaningless. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 BSI did try don't they taking the GPs to Norway, Australia,New Zealand possibly even Finland? This country's all have some form of speedway competition already there so no matter how small at least some sort of cure support. I remember Prince Albert of Monaco being present at one of the early Cardiff GPs with a veiw of taking one to Monaco. Nothing ever happened to that idea. Not sure they failed but have maybe shown the limitations of speedways appeal. Can't sell out Cardiff and can't financially support rounds in the mentioned countries. Lets see how the new promotion gets on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 You cannot compare the two…every motorsport is a mile behind Formula 1 in terms of money, sponsorship, fans and media exposure..in fact most sports full stop are way behind it whether people on here actually like it or not 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: BSI did try don't they taking the GPs to Norway, Australia,New Zealand possibly even Finland? This country's all have some form of speedway competition already there so no matter how small at least some sort of cure support. I remember Prince Albert of Monaco being present at one of the early Cardiff GPs with a veiw of taking one to Monaco. Nothing ever happened to that idea. Well speedway really only has a sizeable following in about 3 or 4 countries, but the BSI didn't really seem to do much in the way of the promotion in the smaller markets. Only seemed to be interested in getting the staging fees from the local promoters and leaving it all to them, or where they promoted it themselves to fulfil some sort of contractual obligation, to do it as cheaply as possible. With Monaco, I'd imagine they were under the impression they could wrangle a sizeable staging fee out of the local organisers, but the Grimaldis didn't get where they are by giving their money away. Especially not on a sport with the sort of demographic that speedway has. There probably was some sort of reasonable attempt in the earlier years to take the SGP to better venues as well as extend the appeal to a wider range of countries, but I think in the end they realised they weren't going to grow it and largely decided to run things at a relatively modest level without pushing the boat out too much. 3 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Lets see how the new promotion gets on. Think a new promotion is long overdue and it'll be interesting to see whether they take things further than ING/BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Bruiser said: You cannot compare the two…every motorsport is a mile behind Formula 1 in terms of money, sponsorship, fans and media exposure..in fact most sports full stop are way behind it whether people on here actually like it or not Apart from Moto GP perhaps. That has to be close to F1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) The problem is that speedway fans EXPECT everyone to love it the same way we do - yet they constantly come on here posting how crappy it is! Speedway is my favourite sport. It always has been, and while it is very different to the sport I grew up with, it still is my favourite sport. I am not like most speedway fans though; I don't come on here bitching about others who like F1, football, tennis etc. I like F1, and I like football, but like speedway, they are very different sports to the ones I watched as a kid. That doesn't make them boring, and it certainly doesn't make me an idiot for liking them. Look at most of the speedway meetings we watch, and we think to ourselves (and often post it on the BSF), "What a load of crap"! I showed a friend of mine Chris' Harris' winning ride at Cardiff - and he just turned round to me, and said, "Is that supposed to be exciting"? Does that make him stupid or inferior? Of course not. Like when he goes mental over American football, yet it does absolutely nothing for me. Not everybody likes the same things - or appreciates the same things. Look at music. I get sick of people telling me that, "All classical music sounds the same". Really, you think a baroque organ piece sounds like a 20th century flute concerto? I am a huge Tom Waits fan, as I love the emotions he puts me through. Most people though, just don't get him, and are like, "He's crap..." I don't expect EVERYBODY to like speedway, but it surprises me that there aren't more. As has been said on here many times, speedway just isn't "cool' for most people. You could have speedway on terrestrial TV every night of the week, at prime time, and most would turn it straight off. Sad thing is, it could be the best speedway we've ever seen, but if they don't "get it", it does absolutely bugger all. I know that British promoters rarely "promote", but quite honestly, what good would it do? If they could even afford it... As I've said before, everyone thinks they KNOW the answer, but the reality is that they DON'T. There are many reasons why speedway doesn't have the following it used to, but many of the reasons have nothing to do with the sport itself. We can't control everything, and we certainly can't control the way people think... Edited December 14, 2021 by chunky 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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