bluebee Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 Just been passing the time watching some YouTube videos (thank you Clean Cut Sports!) and particularly enjoyed the precocious talents of a young Przemysław Pawlicki . The commentator observes that he was certainly a future world champion in the making. What happened to the exceptional Shamek? Why didn't he even make the GPs? I've looked of Wikipedia and it only goes up to 2010 in his case. I know his brother has been making a name for himself. Also what other riders at a young age were considered future champions? I don't mean the great riders like Leigh Adams who just didn't make top spot but the shining lights who suddenly faded out of sight - I am sure injuries accounted for some unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 Arslan Fayzulin Ryan Fisher Arthur Sissis Anders Mellgren David Howe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, arnieg said: Arslan Fayzulin Ryan Fisher Arthur Sissis Anders Mellgren David Howe I did see Fayzulin and Sissis as youngsters. I think Egon Müller rated Arslan very high when he was at a training week that Egon attended . Sissis i thought looked great when up against Mikkel Bech and Mikkelsen with little experience of 80cc and having travelled half way round the world. I#d guess it was the lure of road racing that stopped his development. Maybe also mental attitude ? But for a couple of days in Denmark he really was a wonder to watch and i would, probably did predict he had a great future. Especially as during the same period i also watched Darcy Ward, Jepsen Jensen, Woryna and some other talented youngsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted December 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Arslan Fayzulin Ryan Fisher Arthur Sissis Anders Mellgren David Howe Ryan Fisher a future world champion? Much as I liked him when he road for the Bees I never heard that claimed for him. Maybe crashing his van at a testimonial meeting at Brandon but paid to that. Certainly a champion character! Also was David Howe that highly rated when he was young? Rated as a good prospect but a world champion? Maybe I'm wrong. Saw him at Cardiff and was well off the pace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, bluebee said: Ryan Fisher a future world champion? Much as I liked him when he road for the Bees I never heard that claimed for him. Maybe crashing his van at a testimonial meeting at Brandon but paid to that. Certainly a champion character! Also was David Howe that highly rated when he was young? Rated as a good prospect but a world champion? Maybe I'm wrong. Saw him at Cardiff and was well off the pace. Saw Ryan Fisher at Victorville in 1992 when he was about 10 I think... Started every race in the "juniors" from 50 yards back and hammered lads five years his senior.... Made a note of his name in the programme I bought given how good he looked and presumed he must go in to great things... Did pretty well over here initially too I seem to remember then dropped off.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: Saw Ryan Fisher at Victorville in 1992 when he was about 10 I think... Started every race in the "juniors" from 50 yards back and hammered lads five years his senior.... Made a note of his name in the programme I bought given how good he looked and presumed he must go in to great things... Did pretty well over here initially too I seem to remember then dropped off.... Same thoughts from me. Saw him on the Ca tracks in the early 90''s. Looked so fast and in control. A safe Kelly Moran was my initial thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, bluebee said: Ryan Fisher a future world champion? Much as I liked him when he road for the Bees I never heard that claimed for him. Maybe crashing his van at a testimonial meeting at Brandon but paid to that. Certainly a champion character! Also was David Howe that highly rated when he was young? Rated as a good prospect but a world champion? Maybe I'm wrong. Saw him at Cardiff and was well off the pace. Ryan Fisher was fantastic as an under 16 rider, got a special dispensation to ride with the big boys at 15. Everyone on the California speedway circuit was talking about him as the next American superstar. I saw him when he was 14 and remember chatting to his mother about the difficulty in getting opposition that would challenge him to ride against Edited December 8, 2021 by arnieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 Just now, Lefty said: Same thoughts from me. Saw him on the Ca tracks in the early 90''s. Looked so fast and in control. A safe Kelly Moran was my initial thought. His initial first couple of season averages were pretty much on a par with Hamill and Hancock when they first came over too I seem to remember.. Looked like he didn't have the same focus or discipline to match his undoubted ability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) I personally thought that Dalle Andersen was the most exciting prospect to come out of Sweden in a number of years when he rode for Oxford in 1995. Some of his moves round Cowley were out of the top draw. Made a mistake in returning to "parent" club Cradley in my opinion who rode at Stoke in 1996 and was never the same rider again especially after receiving a bad injury. Edited December 8, 2021 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 Never thought or seen these words mentioned ever in terms of Ryan Fisher:- World Champion & safe. People used to go in on Nicki Pedersen for the way he rode but Fisher was far worse imo. Only 3 name come to mind as rider's who could have & should have been World Champion are:- Leigh Adams Emil Sayfutdinov Darcy Ward I'd give an outside shout out to Fredrick Lindgren too but he's cost himself a few time just by being reckless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I personally thought that Dalle Andersen was the most exciting prospect to come out of Sweden in a number of years when he rode for Oxford in 1995. Some of his moves round Cowley were out of the top draw. Made a mistake in returning to "parent" club Cradley in my opinion who rode at Stoke in 1996 and was never the same rider again especially after receiving a bad injury. Thought exactly the same, he looked class and I thought he was destined for the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Never thought or seen these words mentioned ever in terms of Ryan Fisher:- World Champion & safe. People used to go in on Nicki Pedersen for the way he rode but Fisher was far worse imo. Only 3 name come to mind as rider's who could have & should have been World Champion are:- Leigh Adams Emil Sayfutdinov Darcy Ward I'd give an outside shout out to Fredrick Lindgren too but he's cost himself a few time just by being reckless Have to say that I wasn't that impressed with Ryan Fisher when he rode for Oxford...fell far too many times even when not under pressure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, arnieg said: Arslan Fayzulin Ryan Fisher Arthur Sissis Anders Mellgren David Howe Actually, thinking back, i know Mellgren won the 80cc title. The first non Dane and was highly rated by TRick, but it was his compatriot, Dennis Andersson, who looked like he might become a top rider.European U19 champ, looking good at Poole i think. What ever happened to him ? Edited December 8, 2021 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, iris123 said: Actually, thinking back, i know Mellgren won the 80cc title. The first non Dane and was highly rated by TRick, but it was his compatriot, Dennis Andersson, who looked like he might become a top rider.European U19 champ, looking good at Poole i think. What ever happened to him ? Add in Sundstrom and THJ and you have a string of under achieving Swedes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Actually, thinking back, i know Mellgren won the 80cc title. The first non Dane and was highly rated by TRick, but it was his compatriot, Dennis Andersson, who looked like he might become a top rider.European U19 champ, looking good at Poole i think. What ever happened to him ? I'm pretty sure it was a Good Friday meeting at Coventry vs Poole and I witnessed a masterclass in team riding by Darcy Ward to Shepherd Dennis Andersson home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 hours ago, bluebee said: Just been passing the time watching some YouTube videos (thank you Clean Cut Sports!) and particularly enjoyed the precocious talents of a young Przemysław Pawlicki . The commentator observes that he was certainly a future world champion in the making. What happened to the exceptional Shamek? Why didn't he even make the GPs? I've looked of Wikipedia and it only goes up to 2010 in his case. I know his brother has been making a name for himself. He did. He was a permanent member of the GP series in 2018 having won the GP Challenge in 2017. Unfortunately he didn't have the best of seasons, ending in 14th place. His average in the Ekstraliga last year was just marginally lower than his brother's. They have both failed to consistently deliver on their undoubted talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Never thought or seen these words mentioned ever in terms of Ryan Fisher:- World Champion & safe. People used to go in on Nicki Pedersen for the way he rode but Fisher was far worse imo. Only 3 name come to mind as rider's who could have & should have been World Champion are:- Leigh Adams Emil Sayfutdinov Darcy Ward I'd give an outside shout out to Fredrick Lindgren too but he's cost himself a few time just by being reckless Graham Warren , Dave Jessup ( never rated him) Dennis Sigalos, Billy Sanders, Tommy Jansson he would of certainly won a title. Edited December 8, 2021 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted December 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, HenryW said: He did. He was a permanent member of the GP series in 2018 having won the GP Challenge in 2017. Unfortunately he didn't have the best of seasons, ending in 14th place. His average in the Ekstraliga last year was just marginally lower than his brother's. They have both failed to consistently deliver on their undoubted talent. Shame. Shamek was such an exciting youngster. Thanks for the info Henry. It goes to show that talent alone is no guarantee of success at the highest level. Still, he and his brother have made longish careers in the sport at a pretty good level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 9, 2021 Report Share Posted December 9, 2021 16 hours ago, bluebee said: Also was David Howe that highly rated when he was young? Only by himself maybe... I remember reading an interview with him once where he said it never occurred to him that he wasn't going to be world champion. I also remember reading an interview with Martin Vaculik after he won his first GP and he was going on about how he wanted to emulate Tony Rickardsson, although he's a pretty decent rider he's quite a way off TR standards at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 9, 2021 Report Share Posted December 9, 2021 Zenon Plech (what could he have been with the kind of money and investment the Poles have now) and Tommy Jansson (tragically lost when approaching peak) are the best 2 I can think of from the past who had everything to be World Champions and may have benefitted from GP format rather than one-off Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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