mikebv Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, gazzac said: I suppose most fans are concerned rather than being negative, and the 1000 attendance statement didn't do any favours, but as you say wait until the last signings and see then. Re Eastbourne. Several riders said that they would have reduced their pay if they had been informed of the difficulties.... Maybe something similar will (may) happen at any tracks struggling going forward? Getting paid less has to better than not getting paid anything.. Eg If your income is 15% less than budgeted for then the riders drop accordingly... And vice versa too, if you increase your income above budget then pay the riders more. Never a bad thing in Speedway it seems to get a good reputation for paying on time and if you can do a "bonus" it can only help recruitment and team spirit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 28 minutes ago, sidewinder said: You don't need a sponsors licence for Europeans, the visa is different. I think that changed since Brexit. I believe the exception is when a rider has a work permit in place already (I remember reading about some riders being issued permits if they have raced here previously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 So the official statement on Britishspeedway.co.uk states that LR is in discussions with his chosen 3 riders and just needs to get various things in writing (presumably signed and sealed?) before announcing. He goes on to say that Neilsen and Morris at reserve will probably be the strongest reserve pairing in the league!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, AndyPresley said: I think that changed since Brexit. I believe the exception is when a rider has a work permit in place already (I remember reading about some riders being issued permits if they have raced here previously). I don't doubt that it changed with Brexit, but for non _ european's, it is much tougher to work in this country and a different tier visa is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 It's all very well having strong reserves but they don't usually figure in hts 1,13,15! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lewy said: It's all very well having strong reserves but they don't usually figure in hts 1,13,15! No, but they're a useful tool when a second string has an off night . Strong Heat Leaders don't figure in Heats 2 and 8...... Not sure we've had much choice with team selection, so far as Heat Leaders go, but having strong reserves is a positive from experience. I'm sure most teams don't start with strong reserves as their priority and I bet we didn't either, it just is what it is and IMO it's not a weakness or a bad thing. I'm sure most speedway fans will have their own views on it. Edited February 3, 2022 by GiveusaB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, lewy said: It's all very well having strong reserves but they don't usually figure in hts 1,13,15! Only need to look at Berwick for evidence in 2021. Were in most meetings home and away until heats 11/12 then lost out due predominantly to heats 13 and 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Only need to look at Berwick for evidence in 2021. Were in most meetings home and away until heats 11/12 then lost out due predominantly to heats 13 and 15. Berwick were sh#te and were the poorest team that I saw last season. Edited February 3, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Only need to look at Berwick for evidence in 2021. Were in most meetings home and away until heats 11/12 then lost out due predominantly to heats 13 and 15. To be fair the Berwick collapse in the last few heats was a thing of beauty though 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, screm said: To be fair the Berwick collapse in the last few heats was a thing of beauty though Good race track though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljriley90 Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 Rogers has confirmed neilsen and morris will start at reserve so riders on the radar must averaged 5 or abkve. Lets do a sweep - Pick 3 from the list below and see who actually comes in - Adam Ellis Josh Bates Danny Gappmeier Justin Sedgman Ty Proctor Victor Palovaara Peter Ljung Ludvig Lindgren Kim Nilsson Mathias Thornblom Pontus Aspregen Max Dilger Tobias Busch Lukas Fienhage Probably missing a likely candidate but ill go Gappmeier, ljung and bates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Only need to look at Berwick for evidence in 2021. Were in most meetings home and away until heats 11/12 then lost out due predominantly to heats 13 and 15. I think you need at least one strong reserve which is why I am a little worried About the Poole team. Obviously having two strong reserves weakens the team higher up but no reason why it can't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think you need at least one strong reserve which is why I am a little worried About the Poole team. Obviously having two strong reserves weakens the team higher up but no reason why it can't work. I think that Kemp IS a strong reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Berwick were sh#te and were the poorest team that I saw last season. So did you not see Birmingham then Edited February 3, 2022 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: No, but they're a useful tool when a second string has an off night . Strong Heat Leaders don't figure in Heats 2 and 8...... Not sure we've had much choice with team selection, so far as Heat Leaders go, but having strong reserves is a positive from experience. I'm sure most teams don't start with strong reserves as their priority and I bet we didn't either, it just is what it is and IMO it's not a weakness or a bad thing. I'm sure most speedway fans will have their own views on it. Three strong heat leaders usually ride in 14 of the 30 rides each team takes.... More if tac subs are needed... Any team with that has a pretty good advantage given there won't be too many heat losses against them, meaning those teams will always be in with a shout of a win.. Especially when five out of eight rides in Heats 12 to 15 are taken by your top 3.. Edited February 3, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 44 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Only need to look at Berwick for evidence in 2021. Were in most meetings home and away until heats 11/12 then lost out due predominantly to heats 13 and 15. Berwick lacked a real No1 last season or their strength in depth would have paid off.We we’re woeful when it came to 13 &15 away from home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, AndyPresley said: I think that Kemp IS a strong reserve I don't think Kemp is strong enough to cover for a very weak reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, AndyPresley said: I think that Kemp IS a strong reserve Ablitt could be a dark horse from the little I saw of him last year. Not sure what his gating is like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I don't think Kemp is strong enough to cover for a very weak reserve. I think reserves look far stronger this season without the rising stars, the 2 pointers might find it bit harder with no like for like in every team. Kemp shout be kicking on now, in play off matches I saw him at home he was very good, the 2 times saw him at Glasgow thought Willie Lawson was back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Skidder1 said: So the official statement on Britishspeedway.co.uk states that LR is in discussions with his chosen 3 riders and just needs to get various things in writing (presumably signed and sealed?) before announcing.... That's put to bed the rumours going around that the Brummies were going to revert to their 1977 configuration of two guests and rider replacement to cover the top 3 places in the team, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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