Jaizer Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Hume and Shanes have the same average and Morris is 2 tenths less ? which makes your post not factual ? Shanes and Morris achieved this average riding on a very poor surface last season. I've studied all 3 riders close up over the last few seasons and I'll stand by my statement. Correct, so explain how they're "far better". Talk me through their away form comparison then? And why no other club wanted them in place of any of the other riders previously mentioned? And please don't say they were waiting to see what happened with Birmingham first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 hours ago, proud panther said: Morris & Shanes are reserves in a good team. We just need 3 good signings to make us a good team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Hume and Shanes have the same average and Morris is 2 tenths less ? which makes your post not factual ? (LOL....not splitting hairs btw...) Shanes and Morris achieved this average riding on a very poor surface last season. I've studied all 3 riders close up over the last few seasons and I'll stand by my statement. (there's not much difference between the 3 of them, but I think Morris is, or has, the bigger potential and he's more controlled out of the 3...) So by that logic it makes more sense to compare away form. And what do we find? Hume's superiority is far more evident. Hume 4.85 Morris 4.00 Shanes 3.77. Shanes and Morris failed to reach double figures away from home last year. In contrast Hume was paid for double figures at Edinburgh, Kent and Leicester. Over the last four years there isn't much to choose between them, but in 2021 Hume was the better rider. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Correct, so explain how they're "far better". Talk me through their away form comparison then? And why no other club wanted them in place of any of the other riders previously mentioned? And please don't say they were waiting to see what happened with Birmingham first It's my opinion that they're better riders...may be not 'far' better...but definitely better. May be Hume and Shanes are on par so far as control go, but Morris is ahead of both. Shanes is a much better rider out the 3 when chasing down an opponent.... I've had the privilege of seeing all 3 riders race from the centre green on a regular basis. Like I said, Morris and Shanes didn't have their best seasons last year....Shanes got injured and struggled....Morris was getting over a nasty injury from the year before. Let's see what this season brings, on a new, well prepared track. As for other clubs not wanting them? I can't answer that, nobody other than those involved know those reasons. I'm happy that Bham still have Morris/Shanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, arnieg said: So by that logic it makes more sense to compare away form. And what do we find? Hume's superiority is far more evident. Hume 4.85 Morris 4.00 Shanes 3.77. Shanes and Morris failed to reach double figures away from home last year. In contrast Hume was paid for double figures at Edinburgh, Kent and Leicester. Over the last four years there isn't much to choose between them, but in 2021 Hume was the better rider. Wrong! Morris scored 8 + 2 in the first away meeting at Berwick! according to B'hams website stastistics Morris 4.41 and Shanes 4.57 away Edited January 19, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: It's my opinion that they're better riders...may be not 'far' better...but definitely better. May be Hume and Shanes are on par so far as control go, but Morris is ahead of both. Shanes is a much better rider out the 3 when chasing down an opponent.... I've had the privilege of seeing all 3 riders race from the centre green on a regular basis. Like I said, Morris and Shanes didn't have their best seasons last year....Shanes got injured and struggled....Morris was getting over a nasty injury from the year before. Let's see what this season brings, on a new, well prepared track. As for other clubs not wanting them? I can't answer that, nobody other than those involved know those reasons. I'm happy that Bham still have Morris/Shanes. Maybe should've added was your opinion on your original post Some riders have rapport with a support, at reserve instead of 3 & 4 they may see bit of improvement. Just my opinion but think Hume got more improvement as last season was what only his 2nd or 3rd full season as keeps getting left on the heap. Shanes and Morris been around for years but always float around same average 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Maybe should've added was your opinion on your original post Some riders have rapport with a support, at reserve instead of 3 & 4 they may see bit of improvement. Just my opinion but think Hume got more improvement as last season was what only his 2nd or 3rd full season as keeps getting left on the heap. Shanes and Morris been around for years but always float around same average Exactly as I see it too. Morris and Shanes have plateaued but Hume is on the way up…… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 May I just add....I'd love nothing more than to see Danyon progress to the top...he's a smashing lad and rides fearlessly! I agree Danyon was definitely the pick of the 3 names mentioned, last season, but I do think that there were a few factors to that reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Wrong! Morris scored 8 + 2 in the first away meeting at Berwick! according to B'hams website stastistics Morris 4.41 and Shanes 4.57 away OK I missed Morris' paid 10 (still less than 3 of Hume's scores) but by quoting Morris and Shanes' figures INCLUDING bonus and showing they are still BELOW Hume's WITHOUT bonus you are rather pro in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, arnieg said: OK I missed Morris' paid 10 (still less than 3 of Hume's scores) but by quoting Morris and Shanes' figures INCLUDING bonus and showing they are still BELOW Hume's WITHOUT bonus you are rather pro in my case. Good debate about 3 young English riders...also keeping the B'ham forum topic alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies23 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Are we waiting for teams like Berwick and Poole to finish their teams off before we announce our finally 3 riders? Or has anyone heard of names who we have been linked with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies23 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 8:59 PM, szkocjasid said: This is the best "realistic" team I can come up with for the Brummies Birmingham 2022? Josh Auty 7.42 Josh Bates 5.90 Justin Sedgmen 5.55 Ty Proctor 5.42 James Shanes 4.88 Ashley Morris 4.68 Stefan Nielsen 4.52 Total 38.37 Wouldn't mind Sedgmen and Proctor only if they give their all. Wouldn't take bates tho. Need another big hitter if Auty is starting at number 5. Take Auty in the middle order with two Big hitters only if we could find them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Something must be going on behind the scenes ? May be we'll be taking a chance on an unknown? But we definitely need 2 decent heat leaders....riders that can carry the middle order when they have off days. Otherwise even the most ardent/loyal fan will get fed up and lose interest. I'm keeping faith and respect Bossman's knowledge and experience. I personally wouldn't sign Proctor/Bates.....I'd only take Sedgemen as a last resort, but we'd need 2 better than him to complete the septet...IMO May be the club are waiting to see how many advanced tickets are sold before committing to contracts etc...? We are all just second guessing atm I suppose! It is what it is as they say! Edited January 19, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 May be Tom Bacon coming out of retirement? has Nick Agertoft progressed ? Nathan Stoneman as a Reserve? Can't think of any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, GiveusaB said: May be Tom Bacon coming out of retirement? has Nick Agertoft progressed ? Nathan Stoneman as a Reserve? Can't think of any more If you signed two of those you could have laguta as your number one on. 20 pt average 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: If you signed two of those you could have laguta as your number one on. 20 pt average Laurence has close links with Team USA Manzaries or Max Ruml might do a second string job. Might be worth looking at Sweden for a No 1...one season swansong, Peter Ljung or similar anyone not riding Danish League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, HGould said: Laurence has close links with Team USA Manzaries or Max Ruml might do a second string job. Might be worth looking at Sweden for a No 1...one season swansong, Peter Ljung or similar anyone not riding Danish League. Somebody mentioned Kildemand, but I'm not sure if he rides Danish still? Kildemand was one of, if not the most exciting riders to see at PB back when we were in the Prem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, HGould said: Laurence has close links with Team USA Manzaries or Max Ruml might do a second string job. Might be worth looking at Sweden for a No 1...one season swansong, Peter Ljung or similar anyone not riding Danish League. Manzaries wants to come back to the uk apparently. His first year at foxhall he was brilliant and looked really promising but has flattened to deceive since then. ljung or Kim Nilsson would be good options 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Manzaries wants to come back to the uk apparently. His first year at foxhall he was brilliant and looked really promising but has flattened to deceive since then. ljung or Kim Nilsson would be good options I surprised manzaries hasn't got a team place somewhere ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Great news... The Brummies web site has a new page with a profound quote from Paco Castagna on it... ...should fill in the gap and keep people happy until another signing is announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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