Brummies_Ste Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, Trackerman48 said: Is it just me or do Brummies fans think the club could be struggling to find any heat leaders? I know fans have said Smolinski, Ellis ect but they do not want to ride in Championship. The line from the club is " Don't Panic " Well i am . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Trackerman48 said: Is it just me or do Brummies fans think the club could be struggling to find any heat leaders? I know fans have said Smolinski, Ellis ect but they do not want to ride in Championship. Money talks....and any rider would ride in the Championship for the right wage...'I believe'! Smolinski/Covatti would be my choices. Adam Ellis is riding Denmark, so how would he fit in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Brummies_Ste said: The line from the club is " Don't Panic " Well i am . I'm not....LR knows his stuff and he also knows that fans wont turn up to watch garbage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Getting back on thread....what would B'ham fans preference be to how we utilise the remaining 20.51 points to complete the team? 2.5 on a reserve and 2 X 9.00 riders? That would certainly make for a strong line-up and change people's opinion of us finishing bottom. OK GiveusaB but can you name riders to fill 9.00 point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: I'm not....LR knows his stuff and he also knows that fans wont turn up to watch garbage... It's not about LR as you say knowing his stuff, there are riders out there but the big question is will they ride over here? Think 99% don't. The riders you have said come into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: OK GiveusaB but can you name riders to fill 9.00 point? No, because I don't know what B'ham's budget is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: It's not about LR as you say knowing his stuff, there are riders out there but the big question is will they ride over here? Think 99% don't. The riders you have said come into that. When I say 'he knows his stuff'.....I dont mean that he can magic quality riders up...I believe that he knows what a reasonable mid-table side requires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Nigel has publically said he's put a sum in as a one-off investment and that's it ;not going to be an annual event. It's not going to be a Promotion that can just write a blank cheque every year to cover losses like the majority seem to do and find some kind of warped glory in admitting it. That suggests (a) prudence (b) a need to try to break even. There are plenty of examples of well meaning Promoters who have lost money by letting heart rule heads and trying to keep up with allegedly bigger Clubs who have benefactors (private or corporate) who see Speedway as a play thing. It's too easy to lose the lot very quickly or to lose too much to continue as Peter and David who did a great job and worked their nuts off found out. Can't stress enough times that Brummies will have to cut their cloth very carefully. It boils down to what do those fans they can attract really want?? A team that can compete at the top end of the League that almost certainly costs too much? A team that can win enough at home and can deliver entertainment enough to retain support and attract a few more to keep the ship afloat? As others have said or suggested, the best investment will be in a track that can consistently deliver entertaining speedway and not putting silly money or stupid guarantees in to mercenaries who will turn up and not give 100% as they will simply be looking for the next pay day if it goes belly up. Back Nigel and the new management, you know it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, HGould said: Nigel has publically said he's put a sum in as a one-off investment and that's it ;not going to be an annual event. It's not going to be a Promotion that can just write a blank cheque every year to cover losses like the majority seem to do and find some kind of warped glory in admitting it. That suggests (a) prudence (b) a need to try to break even. There are plenty of examples of well meaning Promoters who have lost money by letting heart rule heads and trying to keep up with allegedly bigger Clubs who have benefactors (private or corporate) who see Speedway as a play thing. It's too easy to lose the lot very quickly or to lose too much to continue as Peter and David who did a great job and worked their nuts off found out. Can't stress enough times that Brummies will have to cut their cloth very carefully. It boils down to what do those fans they can attract really want?? A team that can compete at the top end of the League that almost certainly costs too much? A team that can win enough at home and can deliver entertainment enough to retain support and attract a few more to keep the ship afloat? As others have said or suggested, the best investment will be in a track that can consistently deliver entertaining speedway and not putting silly money or stupid guarantees in to mercenaries who will turn up and not give 100% as they will simply be looking for the next pay day if it goes belly up. Back Nigel and the new management, you know it makes sense. Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Birmingham had a lot of close meetings last year that went down to the last few heats, and with the likes of Harris and Riss in heats 13 and 15 there was always a chance they could win. Add to that some needle matches with other teams moaning about the track creating atmosphere, pit walks, track walks with the riders and kids entertainment, we still struggled to get decent crowds in. Other than what they were doing, I can't see how they will get the numbers required through the turnstiles. But I hope they do because its a smashing club and we all want them to survive and continue for many years to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsboy Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Brummies_Ste said: The line from the club is " Don't Panic " Well i am . Laurence said don't panic. He must have done his homework when on his saving the brummie campaign and must have taken into account the massive rent increase. The sort of team he could put together thats may be needed to attract the (1000) ish break even crowd figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Don’t Panic Mr Mannering your last few riders are Les Collins,Ray Morton ,Paul Thorpe and Simon Stead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Interesting topic having just read all the posts about getting kids, teenagers and families to attend. I often think this is a problem at most Speedway clubs in that so much focus is placed on trying to get new fans through, when actually they would be far better placed to try and get previous fans back who have decided to stop attending. That is of course easier said than done, but you are at least then preaching to the converted (or at least they were at one point) instead of a complete newbie who has no idea what is going on with no connection to the team or sport. When I first went to speedway in 2000 it was billed as a “family sport” and a night out for a the family. I think that’s absolute garbage. It should be billed as an extreme sport. 4 guys racing flat out with no brakes is about as extreme as it gets and that’s the selling point I think. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, Najjer said: Interesting topic having just read all the posts about getting kids, teenagers and families to attend. I often think this is a problem at most Speedway clubs in that so much focus is placed on trying to get new fans through, when actually they would be far better placed to try and get previous fans back who have decided to stop attending. That is of course easier said than done, but you are at least then preaching to the converted (or at least they were at one point) instead of a complete newbie who has no idea what is going on with no connection to the team or sport. When I first went to speedway in 2000 it was billed as a “family sport” and a night out for a the family. I think that’s absolute garbage. It should be billed as an extreme sport. 4 guys racing flat out with no brakes is about as extreme as it gets and that’s the selling point I think. I agree the racing part is but other than that presentation is anything but!! Imagine a group a teenagers at the end of a race watching people religiously filling out a programme asking of the time was 58.8 or 58.9, they wouldnt be fooled back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: Don’t Panic Mr Mannering your last few riders are Les Collins,Ray Morton ,Paul Thorpe and Simon Stead Can we have Chris in stead of Ray please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 11 hours ago, phillipsr said: I agree the racing part is but other than that presentation is anything but!! Imagine a group a teenagers at the end of a race watching people religiously filling out a programme asking of the time was 58.8 or 58.9, they wouldnt be fooled back Quite right....very funny when you stop and think about it.....it's like 'you can't leave after the last race until the winning time is announced' and if you miss it, you have to wait for next week's speedway star? LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: Quite right....very funny when you stop and think about it.....it's like 'you can't leave after the last race until the winning time is announced' and if you miss it, you have to wait for next week's speedway star? LMAO Or wait 30 years and post a question in the Years Gone By section. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 8:15 PM, phillipsr said: I agree the racing part is but other than that presentation is anything but!! Imagine a group a teenagers at the end of a race watching people religiously filling out a programme asking of the time was 58.8 or 58.9, they wouldnt be fooled back Or painting your own programme board including a very big bulldog clip! That's what got me into speedway as it was much more interactive than football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 15, 2022 Report Share Posted January 15, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 8:44 AM, Brummies_Ste said: he line from the club is " Don't Panic " Obviously a reaction to the BSF Predictions thread that seems to unanimously foresee doom and gloom for the Brummies...and timed to placate fears in advance of the sale of season tickets. What else would you have expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 15, 2022 Report Share Posted January 15, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 8:15 PM, phillipsr said: I agree the racing part is but other than that presentation is anything but!! Imagine a group a teenagers at the end of a race watching people religiously filling out a programme asking of the time was 58.8 or 58.9, they wouldnt be fooled back Oh absolutely - programme boards, wulfsport coats and badges on hats to name just a few aren’t going to win the ‘cool kids’ over but with amendments to the presentation then the racing should (that’s a big should!) sell itself. I’m amazed no clubs offer deals with food and drink with admission to encourage more revenue before, during or even more so after a meeting. There is so many possibilities but most people seem to get stuck on 15 races, family sport and the ‘boys are back in town’ blaring on some awful horns as riders sit aboard a clapped out pick up truck. It’s time to take it up a notch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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