Bagpuss Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jaizer said: For what it's worth as Glasgow fan whose watched great successes and dire failure I have tbh and say the most enjoyable days and exciting racing was probably during the dire failure. In the magical years of the double double 93/94, whilst being successful was great the racing at shawfield was pretty average at best. Most teams were beaten before they showed and cricket scores were the norm. Bowes and Lyons were always good to watch but most meetings were over by heat 8. Similar in 2011 most home matches were a walkover with the off bit of entertainment from screeny, Josh G and some erratic riding by nick Morris. However, the years in-between were probably the best racing I'd seen, watching Les Collins, Mick Powell, Jimmy greives, Shane Parker and George stancl was a pleasure and some of the moves by messrs Parker and Collins had to be seen to be believed. And although never finished much in the top half giving the so-called fancied teams a bloody nose in a last heat decider was as good a feeling as you can get. Now there were a few spankings along the way, Swindon scoring 60 springs to mind, but we were still back the next week for more. Hopefully Birmingham fans can have that feeling this season even if it's not to be a successful season in terms of trophies Would absolutely agree with that.....Lynn dominated the PL as it was at various times between 2005 and 2009 with two trebles and two cup doubles but home meetings were rarely thrilling. However in the eighties and early nineties when we were crap most of the time some of the racing was brilliant and winning meetings was such a great feeling as it didn't happen every week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 I have to agree with many of the recent posts. Often a garbage home side but with the home advantage against a decent visiting team will often produce the best meetings. Dominant home wins do little for me as a neutral. The point that is slightly sliding away from this thread is where are the heat wins going to come from? A team with no last places would sneak plenty of draws but there are enough lasts in this Brum side. So to balance that out there will need to be the regular heat winners and as yet they haven't been signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljriley90 Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I have to agree with many of the recent posts. Often a garbage home side but with the home advantage against a decent visiting team will often produce the best meetings. Dominant home wins do little for me as a neutral. The point that is slightly sliding away from this thread is where are the heat wins going to come from? A team with no last places would sneak plenty of draws but there are enough lasts in this Brum side. So to balance that out there will need to be the regular heat winners and as yet they haven't been signed. I think nielsen and morris at reserve will negate many 0s if riders in the 1-5 are struggling. They are a strong reserve pairing. Talking in regards of home meetings there which is where brum should focus on creating that good vibe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 2:31 PM, Sings4Speedway said: Lawson has already said himself that how he races costs £500 a meeting (far from unrealistic) so he is clearly on a touch more than that, plus fuel money and a tenner for a big mac on the way home. "A touch more"??? What do you earn a week for not putting life & limb on the line? To make it worthwhile, how about the following calculation? An above average start point, say £35,000 Plus £500 x number of meetings = £15,000 minimum (based on 30 meetings) Thus, would you expect any rider to look to earn less than £50,000 to make just taking part worthwhile for them? Any less than that, and a career as a plumber or a bricklayer would make much more financial sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Just now, uk_martin said: "A touch more"??? What do you earn a week for not putting life & limb on the line? To make it worthwhile, how about the following calculation? An above average start point, say £35,000 Plus £500 x number of meetings = £15,000 minimum (based on 30 meetings) Thus, would you expect any rider to look to earn less than £50,000 to make just taking part worthwhile for them? Any less than that, and a career as a plumber or a bricklayer would make much more financial sense. Nobody asked them to be a speedway rider though,if the crowds can’t generate enough money to pay them,they should go a get a day job. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, uk_martin said: "A touch more"??? What do you earn a week for not putting life & limb on the line? To make it worthwhile, how about the following calculation? An above average start point, say £35,000 Plus £500 x number of meetings = £15,000 minimum (based on 30 meetings) Thus, would you expect any rider to look to earn less than £50,000 to make just taking part worthwhile for them? Any less than that, and a career as a plumber or a bricklayer would make much more financial sense. I think you misunderstand i am far from knocking what riders earn and was more stating the high costs involved just to take part. As for sense thats an entirely different matter as if any rider had any sense they simply wouldn't bother. The risk vs reward is vastly out and its more paid enjoyment that motivates most riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Would absolutely agree with that.....Lynn dominated the PL as it was at various times between 2005 and 2009 with two trebles and two cup doubles but home meetings were rarely thrilling. However in the eighties and early nineties when we were crap most of the time some of the racing was brilliant and winning meetings was such a great feeling as it didn't happen every week. In all fairness , in I think 2007 , some of the racing at Newport was superb. We had a rubbish side on paper , Rajkowski had replaced Craig Watson during the winter, but ended up being half decent for us. I think we ended up about 10th but there was plenty of last heat deciders and some awesome racing. That said, I would still of preferred poorer racing and better results as would the majority of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies23 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Anyone else think we’re getting a big name at number one from the statement rogers put out? I really hope so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsboy Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Brummies23 said: Anyone else think we’re getting a big name at number one from the statement rogers put out? I really hope so. No as they surely would have announced by now and tried to boost season and 10 match ticket sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Jimsboy said: No as they surely would have announced by now and tried to boost season and 10 match ticket sales? Still got 3/4 months to boost season ticket sales.... Just my opinion, but I doubt 'B'ham fans will be holding out to buy a season ticket based on who the next signing will be? You're either a supporter (supporter being the operative word) or not?! The make up of the team, will affect the 'casual/occasional' supporter....as I said, just the way I look at it. I personally think that the 'Boss/LR', knows enough about speedway, to know that a competitive side is imperative to survival.... Barring injuries, B'ham won't be the whipping boys of the division! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsboy Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Still got 3/4 months to boost season ticket sales.... Just my opinion, but I doubt 'B'ham fans will be holding out to buy a season ticket based on who the next signing will be? You're either a supporter (supporter being the operative word) or not?! The make up of the team, will affect the 'casual/occasional' supporter....as I said, just the way I look at it. I personally think that the 'Boss/LR', knows enough about speedway, to know that a competitive side is imperative to survival.... Barring injuries, B'ham won't be the whipping boys of the division! As long as they see the season out and back to tapes in 2023 then that will be success. However still can not see where the next 3 riders are coming from that will make brum a competitive team for those fans that want to see a championship winning team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Jimsboy said: As long as they see the season out and back to tapes in 2023 then that will be success. However still can not see where the next 3 riders are coming from that will make brum a competitive team for those fans that want to see a championship winning team Quite right! That's why I think a 'Championship Survival team' is more realistic than a 'Championship winning team'.... Entertainment and value for money would be my priority as a business venture. I think the promotion are addressing that by laying a new surface....'spot on'! Edited January 10, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, GiveusaB said: You're either a supporter (supporter being the operative word) or not?! In other words people who let their heart rule your head when making their decisions. And that's what the promotion are relying on. But are there enough such people out there right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: In other words people who let their heart rule your head when making their decisions. And that's what the promotion are relying on. But are there enough such people out there right now? Yes, I guess that's about right.... And, I'm not quite sure there are.... There's not enough 'young blood' showing a continuous interest by looks of things. I liken speedway to a family business - if there isn't enough family members coming through, then the business struggles to exist. We're trying to sell a sport where your country's best rider/performer, doesn't compete in his own country? Unless we can swing over a few ex Cov/Cradley fans on an occasional basis, we're going to have a tough time.... Edited January 10, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 At the end of the day, speedway as a product is poor IMO....whatever changes anyone makes wont make a difference to any newcomer....it's the old faithful and neutral that we need to aim at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Yes, I guess that's about right.... And, I'm not quite sure there are.... There's not enough 'young blood' showing a continuous interest by looks of things. I liken speedway to a family business - if there isn't enough family members coming through, then the business struggles to exist. We're trying to sell a sport where your country's best rider/performer, doesn't compete in his own country? Unless we can swing over a few ex Cov/Cradley fans on an occasional basis, we're going to have a tough time.... Think most clubs will struggle to significantly increase their crowds in today’s climate within the sport.It really relies on existing fans keeping their families interested enough to continue going along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Someone did suggest that speedway should be targeting the older generation like pensioners because they have a bit more disposable cash than people with mortgages and a family, and are happy to take grandkids along and thats where you get your next generation of supporters from. Whether that would work is anybodies guess tho. Birmingham have been excellent at catering for the kids over the last few years but if the parents can't afford to go or have lost interest then you will eventually lose that generation. It's an old-age problem that the sport has never solved... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Birmingham have been great where kids are concerned since the Masons took charge. The problem I think at Perry Barr, is from a spectator's/viewing position, it's cr#p for kids! (it's not much better for adults unless you go indoors....'personally, I hate watching from indoors'....) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies23 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 So who’s going to be the last 3 riders? Zane Kelleher Jordan Stewart either Adam Ellis or Martin Smolinski as number one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Brummies23 said: So who’s going to be the last 3 riders? Zane Kelleher Jordan Stewart either Adam Ellis or Martin Smolinski as number one Jordan Stewart not riding over here this season Adam Ellis is not riding in the championship and smolinski has said he doesn't want to ride in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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