Birmingham Brummies 2022

[GiveusaB]

58 minutes ago, mac101 said:

paco has signed for Edinburgh 

Wish the Confirmed signings thread was updated!

[1 valve]

13 hours ago, Diamonds85 said:

Is it anyone's business what a rider gets paid? It's not my business what you get paid, so it's not your business what I get paid...

Well that's true enough. But as this is a forum for discussion, folk are allowed to contribute their views are they not? And similarly question statements made by others (ambiguous or not) 

 

[SteveLyric2]

Surely people aren't asking to know what a rider gets paid - just whether he's on a guarantee or not.

If/When a rider IS on a guarantee thats usually not all he gets in his financial package!!

[Fortythirtyeight]

Not sure why everybody’s getting their knickers in a twist over ‘ guarantees ‘. These can take many forms, i.e. a minimum guarantee mainly used for low average riders so they at least know they can cover their expenses. There’s an ‘ average ‘ guarantee, guaranteed payment upto your average and then a ‘ bonus ‘ for scoring extra points. They come in many forms, one club paid all 7 riders a ‘ guarantee wage ‘ so that he knew what his wage bill would be each match.

It’s up to the promoter how he comes up with a deal and nothing to do with the rest of us.

[tyretrax]

36 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Not sure why everybody’s getting their knickers in a twist over ‘ guarantees ‘. These can take many forms, i.e. a minimum guarantee mainly used for low average riders so they at least know they can cover their expenses. There’s an ‘ average ‘ guarantee, guaranteed payment upto your average and then a ‘ bonus ‘ for scoring extra points. They come in many forms, one club paid all 7 riders a ‘ guarantee wage ‘ so that he knew what his wage bill would be each match.

It’s up to the promoter how he comes up with a deal and nothing to do with the rest of us.

Then he can increase the admission money.

[Sings4Speedway]

Lawson has already said himself that how he races costs £500 a meeting (far from unrealistic) so he is clearly on a touch more than that, plus fuel money and a tenner for a big mac on the way home.

[Fortythirtyeight]

5 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Lawson has already said himself that how he races costs £500 a meeting (far from unrealistic) so he is clearly on a touch more than that, plus fuel money and a tenner for a big mac on the way home.

As your obviously an expert as you claim £500 is “far from unrealistic “ perhaps you could explain how you come to that decision ?

 

 

 

[geoff100]

33 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Lawson has already said himself that how he races costs £500 a meeting (far from unrealistic) so he is clearly on a touch more than that, plus fuel money and a tenner for a big mac on the way home.

Would love to know the costs involved in that if he does 50 meetings £25.000 just to turn up sounds way off the mark with that !

[Fortythirtyeight]

19 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Would love to know the costs involved in that if he does 50 meetings £25.000 just to turn up sounds way off the mark with that !

because it is.

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

As your obviously an expert as you claim £500 is “far from unrealistic “ perhaps you could explain how you come to that decision ?

 

 

 

So rough numbers using the 50 meetings quoted so 50 x £500 = 25k

50 meetings ave 5 races a meeting = 250 races. Engine service every 35 races = 7 services a year £500 per service = £3500

2 x Bikes to start the season less engines 5k each so current running total £13,500. 

Then throw in kit like boots, helmets, undersuits if all fresh another 2k so around £15,000 thus far. 

Then its running costs a set of clutch plates will be £100-160 (depends what he uses) and is likely changed every 1-2 meetings so anything from £2500-8000

Then of course there is all the other running costs, items that get bent, broken along the way, engine blow ups etc that need to be accounted for.

If Lawson sources his own van that will have costs attached also so its not overly hard to see how the costs can rapidly add up for a better end UK based rider.

Oh and of course there is around 6k on hairbands, shampoo and conditioner after ever meeting 

 

[Brummies23]

On 1/3/2022 at 1:00 PM, GiveusaB said:

Season tickets available this Sunday....Good value imo...from.Club website

Think I’m gonna wait till we all find out who the rest of the team is before getting mine. Want to be entertained for my money worth and going every Wednesday and seeing us lose isn’t for me.  

[Fortythirtyeight]

1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

So rough numbers using the 50 meetings quoted so 50 x £500 = 25k

50 meetings ave 5 races a meeting = 250 races. Engine service every 35 races = 7 services a year £500 per service = £3500

2 x Bikes to start the season less engines 5k each so current running total £13,500. 

Then throw in kit like boots, helmets, undersuits if all fresh another 2k so around £15,000 thus far. 

Then its running costs a set of clutch plates will be £100-160 (depends what he uses) and is likely changed every 1-2 meetings so anything from £2500-8000

Then of course there is all the other running costs, items that get bent, broken along the way, engine blow ups etc that need to be accounted for.

If Lawson sources his own van that will have costs attached also so its not overly hard to see how the costs can rapidly add up for a better end UK based rider.

Oh and of course there is around 6k on hairbands, shampoo and conditioner after ever meeting 

 

He will be very fortunate to get 50 meetings in the UK unless he’s the most popular guest in both divisions and to be that he would have to be a lot cheaper than your wage estimates !

Richard is not a greedy lad but you appear to be making it out he demands high wages. Whilst every rider deserves as much as can get , please don’t make figures up just for impact.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Fortythirtyeight

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

So rough numbers using the 50 meetings quoted so 50 x £500 = 25k

50 meetings ave 5 races a meeting = 250 races. Engine service every 35 races = 7 services a year £500 per service = £3500

2 x Bikes to start the season less engines 5k each so current running total £13,500. 

Then throw in kit like boots, helmets, undersuits if all fresh another 2k so around £15,000 thus far. 

Then its running costs a set of clutch plates will be £100-160 (depends what he uses) and is likely changed every 1-2 meetings so anything from £2500-8000

Then of course there is all the other running costs, items that get bent, broken along the way, engine blow ups etc that need to be accounted for.

If Lawson sources his own van that will have costs attached also so its not overly hard to see how the costs can rapidly add up for a better end UK based rider.

Oh and of course there is around 6k on hairbands, shampoo and conditioner after ever meeting 

 

Cannot remember which forum contributor it is who sponsors riders but a fair while ago he mentioned that one NDL/Championship rider he sponsored was looking at £25k a season (minimum) in running costs...

Wasnt a "big name" either... 

[Ghosty]

2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

So rough numbers using the 50 meetings quoted so 50 x £500 = 25k

50 meetings ave 5 races a meeting = 250 races. Engine service every 35 races = 7 services a year £500 per service = £3500

2 x Bikes to start the season less engines 5k each so current running total £13,500. 

Then throw in kit like boots, helmets, undersuits if all fresh another 2k so around £15,000 thus far. 

Then its running costs a set of clutch plates will be £100-160 (depends what he uses) and is likely changed every 1-2 meetings so anything from £2500-8000

Then of course there is all the other running costs, items that get bent, broken along the way, engine blow ups etc that need to be accounted for.

If Lawson sources his own van that will have costs attached also so its not overly hard to see how the costs can rapidly add up for a better end UK based rider.

Oh and of course there is around 6k on hairbands, shampoo and conditioner after ever meeting 

 

You've missed the cost of a mechanic either fulltime £??? or on the night only £50 - £100.

[Fortythirtyeight]

21 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Cannot remember which forum contributor it is who sponsors riders but a fair while ago he mentioned that one NDL/Championship rider he sponsored was looking at £25k a season (minimum) in running costs...

Wasnt a "big name" either... 

Then he’s spending too much on fancy vans, expensive engine tuners,  too many bikes or even ‘ team merchandise’ !

[Fortythirtyeight]

20 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

You've missed the cost of a mechanic either fulltime £??? or on the night only £50 - £100.

80% of ‘ mechanics ‘ ( and a lot of them are kidding themselves to be called that ) do it for a pie and a pint. Most are ‘ mates ‘ and do it for the love of the sport, there are some very good ones out there but they know the state of the sport and usually the rate ‘their’ rider is on and don’t charge such silly fees.

[mikebv]

12 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Then he’s spending too much on fancy vans, expensive engine tuners,  too many bikes or even ‘ team merchandise’ !

A good few years ago now, (2012 maybe), I got talking in the pits at a meeting with the major sponsor of a rider who was then riding as a "top rider" in both leagues, as he doubled up/down as a heat leader in  both..

The rider in question had spent circa £30k the year before, only riding in the UK..

He also told me how much approximately the rider had earned which left me amazed given how few patrons are engaged enough to attend Speedway meetings...

The figure quoted was "impressive" but realistically, upon reflection, was around the "normal expectant return" on such a huge level of investment in your "business", especially as you then have the usual day to day living costs to pay out of your "profit"...

A level of investment which was described as "normal for his level of rider"...

In a sport that attracts so relatively few through the doors you can clearly see why it struggles, with their "employees", quite naturally, wanting recompense to reflect their considerable outlay...

 

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

He will be very fortunate to get 50 meetings in the UK unless he’s the most popular guest in both divisions and to be that he would have to be a lot cheaper than your wage estimates !

Richard is not a greedy lad but you appear to be making it out he demands high wages. Whilst every rider deserves as much as can get , please don’t make figures up just for impact.

First up the 50 meetings was just a number plucked out by geoff100 that i used as part of the rough figures. Second the £500 per meeting was a figure that Richard himself quoted:

He said: “I’m owed just under £8,000. I hope Ian Jordan is never allowed back into speedway. I’m out of pocket. It’s not just the money he owes. The way I race it costs me £500 to ride every meeting. You’re putting your bike and body on the line and it’s not on.

In fact im far from suggesting he is is greedy, im simply justifying the figure quoted and highlighting the costs involved with higher level speedway in th UK at present and the impact on riders when they go unpaid.

[Skodaman]

3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

So rough numbers using the 50 meetings quoted so 50 x £500 = 25k

50 meetings ave 5 races a meeting = 250 races. Engine service every 35 races = 7 services a year £500 per service = £3500

2 x Bikes to start the season less engines 5k each so current running total £13,500. 

Then throw in kit like boots, helmets, undersuits if all fresh another 2k so around £15,000 thus far. 

Then its running costs a set of clutch plates will be £100-160 (depends what he uses) and is likely changed every 1-2 meetings so anything from £2500-8000

Then of course there is all the other running costs, items that get bent, broken along the way, engine blow ups etc that need to be accounted for.

If Lawson sources his own van that will have costs attached also so its not overly hard to see how the costs can rapidly add up for a better end UK based rider.

Oh and of course there is around 6k on hairbands, shampoo and conditioner after ever meeting 

 

Less the value of his sponsorship!

[mac101]

1 hour ago, Ghosty said:

You've missed the cost of a mechanic either fulltime £??? or on the night only £50 - £100.

And that’s also before he earns a living just as well Richard has a job as a plasterer to make a decent living he is also not one for flash stuff he spends most of his earnings on keeping his engines reliable most riders I know do it for the adrenaline rush and love racing there bikes can’t see many making a living out of the sport nowadays they all find a job through the winter to make ends meet and help towards the following year starts   unless riders did not have good sponsorship to help them out most would chuck it tomorrow