SteveLyric2 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: They actually haven't changed any rule about nomad clubs. It's always been the case that someone trying to bring back a defunct club can run in the junior leagues as a nomad club, and it still is. However in the past the SCB didn't really make any enquiries as to what attempts are being made to bring a club back. So if you just said "I'm trying to bring back Harringay", they'd probably let you run a junior league team. In the last few years they've tightened up the checks. So now if you say I'm trying to bring back Harringay and want to run a team in the Southern Development league, the SCB would be asking where the land in Harringay for this new track is. If you've got a genuine plan to have a new track in place in the next year or two, they'll let you run a nomad team in the meantime. Their reasoning is that they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", but have no real ambition to actually bring that club back. Crikey, "getting rid of people on an ego trip" in speedway?? Where should one begin.............?! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 56 minutes ago, AndyPresley said: You're right, it is one of the cheapest forms of motorsport and I don't doubt that. Certainly not cheap and accessible to the average family or teenager though.. nor is any motorsport, so entry into the sport is always going to be be restrictive in comparison to ball or racket sports for example. So your initial post was just to agree with someone who you knew was wrong ? What is your point ? If you or your family are skint then you aren’t likely to try to get into any motorsport and yes, a ball game is a lot cheaper so no comparison to speedway whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: So your initial post was just to agree with someone who you knew was wrong ? What is your point ? If you or your family are skint then you aren’t likely to try to get into any motorsport and yes, a ball game is a lot cheaper so no comparison to speedway whatsoever. My point is that a conveyer belt of new talent isn't going to be available to Speedway because it isn't accessible to most people, which is what I think Give Me a B was saying. Nothing wrong with his post. Unless there are schemes to make it easier for those people who are not fortunate to have parents pay for everything, the emergence of new talent capable of becoming stars will always be rare. I believe Poland for example have much more support in place for 'newbies' and a bigger fanbase (therefore more interest from them), so they do have plenty of new talent coming through. But then again they have the money to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, AndyPresley said: My point is that a conveyer belt of new talent isn't going to be available to Speedway because it isn't accessible to most people, which is what I think Give Me a B was saying. Nothing wrong with his post. Unless there are schemes to make it easier for those people who are not fortunate to have parents pay for everything, the emergence of new talent capable of becoming stars will always be rare. I believe Poland for example have much more support in place for 'newbies' and a bigger fanbase (therefore more interest from them), so they do have plenty of new talent coming through. But then again they have the money to do that. An inaccurate post is an inaccurate post. Speedway is cheap compared to any other form of motorsport. As for schemes to make it easier to get into the sport , that has always been the case in British speedway, no one has ever said “ here’s a fee bike and kit , see how you go “ and it’s no different in Poland, no one gives you free gear there either ! Yes, they do give ‘support’ to youngsters but only those that show promise not to joe public walking off the street saying “ his a go mister “. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: An inaccurate post is an inaccurate post. Speedway is cheap compared to any other form of motorsport. As for schemes to make it easier to get into the sport , that has always been the case in British speedway, no one has ever said “ here’s a fee bike and kit , see how you go “ and it’s no different in Poland, no one gives you free gear there either ! Yes, they do give ‘support’ to youngsters but only those that show promise not to joe public walking off the street saying “ his a go mister “. OK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 43 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: They actually haven't changed any rule about nomad clubs. It's always been the case that someone trying to bring back a defunct club can run in the junior leagues as a nomad club, and it still is. However in the past the SCB didn't really make any enquiries as to what attempts are being made to bring a club back. So if you just said "I'm trying to bring back Harringay", they'd probably let you run a junior league team. In the last few years they've tightened up the checks. So now if you say I'm trying to bring back Harringay and want to run a team in the Southern Development league, the SCB would be asking where the land in Harringay for this new track is. If you've got a genuine plan to have a new track in place in the next year or two, they'll let you run a nomad team in the meantime. Their reasoning is that they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", but have no real ambition to actually bring that club back. It seems to me people just want to sidestep the ACU/SCB and BSP Ltd, now things are possibly far from perfect but they are the governing bodies and do run the sport in the U.K. Licensing of tracks and riders are a significant outlay as is insurance which I would doubt is easy to arrange if not run under the proper guidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Real talent on a bike is rare....not sure why 'we' (UK) don't have much coming through....having all the money in the world wont make a good rider great.... Not many Michael Lee's, Bruce Penhall's, Darcy Ward's, about these days.....REAL TALENT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", I wonder if Nigel Pearson will be reading this... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsboy Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Whens the next signing being announced. 3/4 weeks when Rogers said some riders were looking at fixture schedules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Jimsboy said: Whens the next signing being announced. 3/4 weeks when Rogers said some riders were looking at fixture schedules. You seem more bothered than us B'ham supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 22 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Their reasoning is that they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", but have no real ambition to actually bring that club back. In my experience, all of the Development League teams were run by 'people on an ego trip', which is extremely unfair on those who were doing it for the love of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, *JJ said: In my experience, all of the Development League teams were run by 'people on an ego trip', which is extremely unfair on those who were doing it for the love of the sport. You do not seem to have understood his not very well phrased point. Yes, the teams will have been run by very enthusiastic individuals but out of those ‘ ghost teams ‘ how many were actually trying to find land and build a stadium to bring that team back into existence ? Answer : Probably almost Nil. Both Halifax and Castleford , who appeared in the NJL, had advanced plans in place and Halifax even had land secured before the schemes collapsed and both teams ceased to exist as an entity in the league. Edited February 1, 2022 by Fortythirtyeight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 23 hours ago, PotteringAround said: They actually haven't changed any rule about nomad clubs. It's always been the case that someone trying to bring back a defunct club can run in the junior leagues as a nomad club, and it still is. However in the past the SCB didn't really make any enquiries as to what attempts are being made to bring a club back. So if you just said "I'm trying to bring back Harringay", they'd probably let you run a junior league team. In the last few years they've tightened up the checks. So now if you say I'm trying to bring back Harringay and want to run a team in the Southern Development league, the SCB would be asking where the land in Harringay for this new track is. If you've got a genuine plan to have a new track in place in the next year or two, they'll let you run a nomad team in the meantime. Their reasoning is that they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", but have no real ambition to actually bring that club back. Playing at managing a speedway team, on an ego trip! Have you ever actually looked at attempts to bring back some of these teams.......Dont think so!!!!!! Otherwise a more balanced statement would be made. It infuriates me at such a generalised statement with no factual evidence. As for my efforts to re introduce speedway at Halifax, it is well documented. The ill health I suffered as a consequence, put paid to it and not to mention the personal financial costs. Would I do it again, YES. Why might be asked, but look through Premiership Teams, Championship Teams and National League Teams and you will find many who have progressed through opportunities with Halifax Dukes in the Northern Junior League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: You do not seem to have understood his not very well phrased point. Yes, the teams will have been run by very enthusiastic individuals but out of those ‘ ghost teams ‘ how many were actually trying to find land and build a stadium to bring that team back into existence ? Answer : Probably almost Nil. Both Halifax and Castleford , who appeared in the NJL, had advanced plans in place and Halifax even had land secured before the schemes collapsed and both teams ceased to exist as an entity in the league. totally wrong on NIL . All those who were the nomadic clubs were actively seeking sites and some came near and this was monitored. The pandemic has made this difficult but there are active searches progressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Speedway fan said: totally wrong on NIL . All those who were the nomadic clubs were actively seeking sites and some came near and this was monitored. The pandemic has made this difficult but there are active searches progressing. 24 minutes ago, Speedway fan said: totally wrong on NIL . All those who were the nomadic clubs were actively seeking sites and some came near and this was monitored. The pandemic has made this difficult but there are active searches progressing. ‘ searches ‘ are not considered acceptable advanced business plans by the powers that be. Good luck to you and I hope every ‘ ghost club ‘ comes back into being but until you have land that has been approved for use, then it’s just speculating as far the rules go. Anyway….back to Birmingham issues. Edited February 1, 2022 by Fortythirtyeight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 So Vissing is now signed for Danish club Holsted on Wednesdays!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsboy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: So Vissing is now signed for Danish club Holsted on Wednesdays!! Danno Verge is still available on Wednesday. LR needs come clean he is struggling to find riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jimsboy said: Danno Verge is still available on Wednesday. LR needs come clean he is struggling to find riders Waiting to see who Berwick don’t use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 9:52 AM, mikebv said: Whilst the 2nd Div tail can wag the Div 1 dog it wont ever work too well.. Div 2 truly do have it all ways.. Using many of the best riders available from both Div 1 and Div 3... A few on here seem to take some satisfaction by talking up there clubs as if they have miraculously increased their followers through great promotional work.. And for some that may be a factor.. However, I would suggest the bigger factor is having six Div 1 heat leaders competing regularly at those tracks each season. Which has attracted more "lapsed" fans who have drifted away in the preceding years back to the sport.. The same would happen if an influx of GP riders came back in Div 1... The question though is obviously "how long will it last?"... The novelty of watching "better riders" only lasts so long before it becomes "normal" and then those "non regulars" who have been attracted back start to drift away again... And, as we see, having so many Div 1 heat leaders in a select few tracks in Div 2, wont help the whole sport organically and generically grow... Time to rewind to 1964/65 - calling Mr Mills-Baldwin!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Great News! According to the Birmingham Speedway web site, the Birmingham Bulls will be competing again this year. No mention though of which riders will be in the team though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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