Chris116 Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris116 said: The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time. Don't think you're missing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I agree that Tom Brennan "played his part" but also point out that "his part" had nothing to do with GB winning the meeting! Don't be ridiculous. He had no part in the semi-final race and final race, but he scored 7 out of 8 points in his heats to help GB qualify for the semi-final race. By your reckoning Bobby Charlton played no part in the 1966 World Cup Finals because it was Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters who scored the goals in the final! Edited November 29, 2021 by PotteringAround Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: Don't be ridiculous. He had no part in the semi-final race and final race, but he scored 7 out of 8 points in his heats to help GB qualify for the semi-final race. By your reckoning Bobby Charlton played no part in the 1966 World Cup Finals because it was Geogg Hurst and Martin Peters who scored the goals in the final! GB finished more than 8 points ahead of Australia, so Brennan made no difference. He may have ride well, but it didn't help GB win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, Chris116 said: The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time. There's enough 4* & 3* RS to have 2 per team in the Prem in my view, so they could have gone with 2 per team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, PotteringAround said: And then Kai Ward would have played his part. But Kai Ward didn't ride, Tom Brennan did. So Tom brennan played his part. I don't see the problem. As long as the rules were known at the start of the season, what's the problem? A team planning on a super-strong No.6 would know the risk they were taking if he got injured. It would be up to each team to assess the risk and decide if they want to go down that route. Of course it would be possible. The rule would say "facility for a missing reserve/rising star = No.8 only Years ago it was r/r for heat leaders missing & using your own juniors for missing second strings & reserves. Not sure that would happen again as it's cheaper & easier to borrow an opposition "star" than to run a NDL team to build your own probably? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) Wonder if Kyle Bickley is reconsidering signing for Berwick Bullets now? Or can he be a number 8 and still ride in the other 2 leagues... What does he do... Drop the NL in the slight off chance that he may or may not get a ride at some point during the season, or keep the NL and get track time... I hope the number 8s are eligible to ride in both other leagues... Other than that... It's actually a good idea that has been implemented... Something long overdue... Now all they need to do is change to race format to have protected races for reserves so we don't have the number 5 vs the RS at number 7... Edited November 29, 2021 by Diamonds85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 Improving the lot of the NDL and making it easier to then move into a championship side seems more logical than this pointless announcement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 https://youtu.be/TnfKmNRfLYU Play the jingle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, PotteringAround said: It can only be a positive. It was ridiculous last year that Sheffield could lose their Rising Star early in the season and then get an advantage by being able to handpick a No.7 guest for every match on a horses for courses basis. At least Wolves redeclared a new Rising Star. As well as having a No.8 to replace a missing RS rider, I'd like to also extend the rule so that the No.8 also has to be used if the No.6 is missing. Shoudl be no guests at reserve. Danyon Hume was signed after 2 match trial and rode 11 meetings we had 6 guests for josh so it wasn’t horses for corses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, szkocjasid said: GB finished more than 8 points ahead of Australia, so Brennan made no difference. He may have ride well, but it didn't help GB win. Ah. So, in your strange world, Tai Woffinden played no part in Great Britain's Speedway of Nations win? After all, Woffinden didn't ride in the semi-final and final races, and since GB finished 15 points ahead of Australia, his 14 points were completely unnecessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 Another BSPL announcement that ends up generating more questions than providing answers.... ....not exactly great communication. No doubt vague enough to allow it to be made up on the hoof. I think we can all agree that young riders need more track time and in that respect the idea is a sound one. But what's the level? The fixed race nights would allow CL #7 standard riders to participate which could make it really competitive and challenging for the young riders. Or is it SGP4 250/125cc level? Those kids need track time to but it's not a natural progression from that standard to a PL Rising Star. No doubt all will be revealed when they've decided how it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: Ah. So, in your strange world, Tai Woffinden played no part in Great Britain's Speedway of Nations win? After all, Woffinden didn't ride in the semi-final and final races, and since GB finished 15 points ahead of Australia, his 14 points were completely unnecessary. Could be onto something there. By the same token Robert's 3 points in 2016 and 1 point in 2017 didn't really change GB's position in the SWC so he should have been at home watching and not gaining the world championship experience. I wonder if that experience of racing in a world final at a young age helped him any in this years SON? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Wonder if Kyle Bickley is reconsidering signing for Berwick Bullets now? Or can he be a number 8 and still ride in the other 2 leagues... What does he do... Drop the NL in the slight off chance that he may or may not get a ride at some point during the season, or keep the NL and get track time... I hope the number 8s are eligible to ride in both other leagues... Other than that... It's actually a good idea that has been implemented... Something long overdue... Now all they need to do is change to race format to have protected races for reserves so we don't have the number 5 vs the RS at number 7... They had a format like that during the "fast track years" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 11 hours ago, scoobydoo said: So are they saying if your RS is injured you got to use the #8 They probably have not thought that far yet… answers on a postcard to BSPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Chris116 said: The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time. Think the point your missing is the championship clubs voted the r/s scheme out not the bsp. When will people realise it's not one or two man's opinions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Think the point your missing is the championship clubs voted the r/s scheme out not the bsp. When will people realise it's not one or two man's opinions I did not think it was one or two people who had made the decision to not follow through on what was announced as a five year plan. Whether it is the BSPL or the Championship league who got rid of the idea does not matter. What is certain is that once again speedway has introduced a five year plan and then voted against it within twelve months. If "rising stars" were such a good idea twelve months ago that they were voted in why change their minds without giving the idea a fair trial? How does having riders sitting in the pits and not racing as number eights help them progress? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, enotian said: Another BSPL announcement that ends up generating more questions than providing answers.... ....not exactly great communication. No doubt vague enough to allow it to be made up on the hoof. I think we can all agree that young riders need more track time and in that respect the idea is a sound one. But what's the level? The fixed race nights would allow CL #7 standard riders to participate which could make it really competitive and challenging for the young riders. Or is it SGP4 250/125cc level? Those kids need track time to but it's not a natural progression from that standard to a PL Rising Star. No doubt all will be revealed when they've decided how it will work. Its never going to be a level of CL #7s as they will want paying. The PJL will basically be a MSDL level so NL reserves and others making up the numbers (because lets face it half won't want the midweek travel to then sit and wait until the end, treated like 2nd class citizens and quiteboften not get rides anyways). Its a cheap way of providing "extra value" to a night (until the standard is shown to be so embarrassing that the whole thing is dropped mid season) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 If there's gonna be a supporters Cup this year, why not make it an 8 man format to give the number 8's a minimum of 4 matches? Could use the Polish format (8 has no scheduled rides) or the 1993 British format with 6 riders & 2 reserves? It's often said fans don't turn up to non-league fixtures but giving 18 heats instead of 15, could help increase the crowds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/29/2021 at 4:44 PM, Diamonds85 said: Wonder if Kyle Bickley is reconsidering signing for Berwick Bullets now? Or can he be a number 8 and still ride in the other 2 leagues... What does he do... Drop the NL in the slight off chance that he may or may not get a ride at some point during the season, or keep the NL and get track time... I hope the number 8s are eligible to ride in both other leagues... Other than that... It's actually a good idea that has been implemented... Something long overdue... Now all they need to do is change to race format to have protected races for reserves so we don't have the number 5 vs the RS at number 7... The riding order is not fixed either in that the lowest averaged rider & RS can ride at 6 OR 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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