Sings4Speedway Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, RS50 said: So, if a number 8 is needed due to a RS injury, but the number 8 also has a NDL match same day, who gets priority? Won't happen due to protected race nights. 16 hours ago, False dawn said: As to PJL, teams will comprise 4 riders with a maximum combined RS star rating of 8. The league will be regionalised (I think, 2 times 3 teams). Anybody have the RS ratings of the no.8's? If Hume is a 4 as expected then the remainder of the team will have to be filled with 1 star riders? Also going by this statement all PJL riders will have to be RS eligible....and have registered their interest to participate in the scheme? Sounds like it could be quite a closed and shrinking list which would only add to costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Won't happen due to protected race nights. Anybody have the RS ratings of the no.8's? If Hume is a 4 as expected then the remainder of the team will have to be filled with 1 star riders? Also going by this statement all PJL riders will have to be RS eligible....and have registered their interest to participate in the scheme? Sounds like it could be quite a closed and shrinking list which would only add to costs Won’t be many costs as the PJL is regionalised so they will only ride a grand total of 4 matches , two home , two away . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedyOne Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Less than half the Prem matches will have PJL meetings after, so there is a good chance of number 8's sitting in the pits & not getting rides! Why? The number 8 isn't going to turn up for a meeting where he isn't riding! If he's replacing the No.7 in that meeting he's going to have rides. If he's in the PJL match he's going to have rides. If he's not replacing the No.7 and there's no PJL match, then there's no need for him to be there, unless he's mechanicing or spectating. 2 hours ago, RS50 said: So, if a number 8 is needed due to a RS injury, but the number 8 also has a NDL match same day, who gets priority? Would imagine the Premiership would pull rank over the NDL. But I don't think there's many NDL matches scheduled for a Monday or Thursday, so it's not going to be a common thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Won’t be many costs as the PJL is regionalised so they will only ride a grand total of 4 matches , two home , two away . Hardly worth riders funding their own team kevlars then. However using the RS pay scheme rates of £40 per point, a 4 rider 6 heat formula so 36 points available split in half so 18 points and over 4 meetings 40x18x4 =£2880. Thats a lump of additional cash a season to fork out. Im sure some riders would take to the track for £20per point and some might even do it for free but the gulf in levels would open up pretty quickly and the spectacle could rapidly go downhill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, SpeedyOne said: Why? The number 8 isn't going to turn up for a meeting where he isn't riding! If he's replacing the No.7 in that meeting he's going to have rides. If he's in the PJL match he's going to have rides. If he's not replacing the No.7 and there's no PJL match, then there's no need for him to be there, unless he's mechanicing or spectating. Would imagine the Premiership would pull rank over the NDL. But I don't think there's many NDL matches scheduled for a Monday or Thursday, so it's not going to be a common thing. I've read clubs stating the number 8 will be at each match, Wolves I'm sure said that for example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Hardly worth riders funding their own team kevlars then. However using the RS pay scheme rates of £40 per point, a 4 rider 6 heat formula so 36 points available split in half so 18 points and over 4 meetings 40x18x4 =£2880. Thats a lump of additional cash a season to fork out. Im sure some riders would take to the track for £20per point and some might even do it for free but the gulf in levels would open up pretty quickly and the spectacle could rapidly go downhill. Whilst they may pay the ‘ no. 8 ‘ something I doubt very much if they will pay the junior team those pay rates . The NDL was only supposed to be paying £10 a point. There shouldn’t be a gulf in levels as they are all ‘ rising stars ‘, not novices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Danyon Hume has been told to be at every Ipswich meeting and he’s set to be heavily involved. Not surprising really, as he’s a real coup at number 8 and better than a lot of others main reserves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Whilst they may pay the ‘ no. 8 ‘ something I doubt very much if they will pay the junior team those pay rates . The NDL was only supposed to be paying £10 a point. There shouldn’t be a gulf in levels as they are all ‘ rising stars ‘, not novices. Not going to disagree that pay rates across all leagues have got silly but it started at the top and worked down. As for gulf in level there are number 8s of 4 star level who will be CL 2nd strings this year whilst others on the rising star list drop down to NL reserve and lower. No offence to any of them but 1 star rising stars can be hugely different in class to those who they will be lining up against. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 10:00 PM, Sings4Speedway said: Not going to disagree that pay rates across all leagues have got silly but it started at the top and worked down. As for gulf in level there are number 8s of 4 star level who will be CL 2nd strings this year whilst others on the rising star list drop down to NL reserve and lower. No offence to any of them but 1 star rising stars can be hugely different in class to those who they will be lining up against. Interested to know who’s the NL reserve or lower who has managed to get on the rising star programme meaning he can ride in the Premiership ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Interested to know who’s the NL reserve or lower who has managed to get on the rising star programme meaning he can ride in the Premiership ? Did i say PL ride? The PJL is made up of riders totalling 8 stars. Most number 8s are 4 stars so the remaining riders will be 1. Obviously 2022 list is hush hush but going off 2021 list the Millars, Butcher, Chattin, MacDonald, Smith, Woods etc. All 1 star riders who are potentially going to go to the tapes with a Thompson or Hume and try to provide a competitive spectacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Did i say PL ride? The PJL is made up of riders totalling 8 stars. Most number 8s are 4 stars so the remaining riders will be 1. Obviously 2022 list is hush hush but going off 2021 list the Millars, Butcher, Chattin, MacDonald, Smith, Woods etc. All 1 star riders who are potentially going to go to the tapes with a Thompson or Hume and try to provide a competitive spectacle. But none of those named are on the rising star list ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: But none of those named are on the rising star list ! They were on the 2021 list. Has a 2022 been published? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: They were on the 2021 list. Has a 2022 been published? As the programme only exists in the Premiership for 2022 you expect the likes of the Millars, Chatting etc to be included ??? No disrespect to them but they are not going to be mentioned as Premiership rising star candidates . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) No mention of Prem only in the regs and ultimately wouldn’t be enough riders to go round/fit. Most/all PL number 8s are going to be 3/4 star riders. They can only ride for one side so the rest is going to be much lower graded riders. 014.1.2 Rider Eligibility Teams should have a regular squad of 4 riders. Being an opportunity for young or inexperienced riders, the league is open to: - a) those holding a UK passport and an ACU licence. b) holder of a valid SCB Registration c) eligible and committed to the Rising Star programme 15-year-old riders on a 500cc motorcycles will be eligible and classified as a one Star rider. 014.1.3 Team Composition Teams will consist of 4 riders with a maximum team build of 8 Stars or less and may include the following: - a) 15-year-old riders on 500cc motorcycle b) MSDL and NJL riders riding 500cc motorcycles Guest ruling – any eligible rider who has not previously ridden for a PJL team and does not increase the team total above 8 stars. Edited March 11, 2022 by Sings4Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: No mention of Prem only in the regs and ultimately wouldn’t be enough riders to go round/fit. Most/all PL number 8s are going to be 3/4 star riders. They can only ride for one side so the rest is going to be much lower graded riders. 014.1.2 Rider Eligibility Teams should have a regular squad of 4 riders. Being an opportunity for young or inexperienced riders, the league is open to: - a) those holding a UK passport and an ACU licence. b) holder of a valid SCB Registration c) eligible and committed to the Rising Star programme 15-year-old riders on a 500cc motorcycles will be eligible and classified as a one Star rider. 014.1.3 Team Composition Teams will consist of 4 riders with a maximum team build of 8 Stars or less and may include the following: - a) 15-year-old riders on 500cc motorcycle b) MSDL and NJL riders riding 500cc motorcycles Guest ruling – any eligible rider who has not previously ridden for a PJL team and does not increase the team total above 8 stars. Yep….014.1.2. section C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 4:49 PM, szkocjasid said: I've read clubs stating the number 8 will be at each match, Wolves I'm sure said that for example! Was said at the STARRS meeting at Sheffield last night as well Stead said he hoped Dan Thompson would learn from just being around the other riders in the pits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Yep….014.1.2. section C. I feel like we are getting off track and potentially agreeing with the same thing? The likely team make up is going to be 1 x 4 star rider then 3 x 1 star riders (be they 15 or otherwise) . Sadly even with some highly talented youngsters its still likely to be diverse in levels of ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 I have been at Belle Vue tonight. There was no trace of number 8s on either team and no junior league. Have both these things been abolished before they started? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleoleole Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 9 hours ago, BuxtonTiger said: I have been at Belle Vue tonight. There was no trace of number 8s on either team and no junior league. Have both these things been abolished before they started? Dan Thompson was there, fully kitted out and ready to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 11:02 PM, BuxtonTiger said: I have been at Belle Vue tonight. There was no trace of number 8s on either team and no junior league. Have both these things been abolished before they started? Belle Vue only have to race 2 home PJL fixtures, they won't be racing in even a quarter of the fixtures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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