Number 8 for each team and Junior League

[Flappy]

http://speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.39867

[Arch Stanton]

That’s a positive step in the right direction for once. 

[scoobydoo]

So are they saying if your RS is injured you got to use the #8 

[Flappy]

  On 11/29/2021 at 10:50 AM, scoobydoo said:

So are they saying if your RS is injured you got to use the #8 

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I do hope so 

[kevin bass]

Be even better if both teams were using R/R then just promote the number 8 rather then use R/R, or is that to simple

[Sir Sidney]

I'll be interested to see the detail on number 8s. Will it consist of a designated set of riders (almost a shadow RS list) or will clubs have a free hand to choose? 

[gazzac]

Sorry to sound a bit negative, good ideas, but the feed of riders of the current standard will become less and less, it's living off the back of the successful national league a couple of seasons ago, if nothing's done to rectify a decent NL it's short term again, I can see the second halves being half hearted like last season. 

[Fortythirtyeight]

Let’s get a bit of perspective here, this is a press release saying….” We will be doing the same thing as we did last year, picking our own preferred  ‘ youngsters ‘ and telling some other ‘ youngster ‘ your the non useable number eight for the night. We say we are going to have a junior league , same as we said last year, but we didn’t bother with it really and we may or may not bother again this year”

Lets wait and see what actually comes out in the wash.

 

[PotteringAround]

It can only be a positive.

It was ridiculous last year that Sheffield could lose their Rising Star early in the season and then get an advantage by being able to handpick a No.7 guest for every match on a horses for courses basis.  At least Wolves redeclared a new Rising Star.

As well as having a No.8 to replace a missing RS rider, I'd like to also extend the rule so that the No.8 also has to be used if the No.6 is missing.  Shoudl be no guests at reserve.

 

[NeilWatson]

  On 11/29/2021 at 10:50 AM, scoobydoo said:

So are they saying if your RS is injured you got to use the #8 

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  On 11/29/2021 at 11:07 AM, Flappy said:

I do hope so 

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That will require a rule change….

[szkocjasid]

 A few thoughts about the press release issued:

"Tom Brennan played his part in Great Britain’s stunning world title glory at the Monster Energy FIM Speedway of Nations"

As has been mentioned before if Kai Ward rode for GB & finished his two heats, GB still would have won!

“Whilst some 2nd half junior racing took place in 2021, with a full league season planned for 2022 we are excited about incorporating the Premiership Junior League competition into our race nights and showcasing the sport's future Rising Stars.

A full League season planned for 2021, but no mention of why it was cancelled?

“The number eight rider in each team will also gain huge experience from being part of the club and it is envisaged that during the season they may get a chance to contribute and where possible go on to become the Rising Star rider at a club the following season.”

They MAY get a chance to contribute! Sounds like they'll be back up for a missing RS!

[szkocjasid]

  On 11/29/2021 at 12:48 PM, PotteringAround said:

It can only be a positive.

It was ridiculous last year that Sheffield could lose their Rising Star early in the season and then get an advantage by being able to handpick a No.7 guest for every match on a horses for courses basis.  At least Wolves re-declared a new Rising Star.

As well as having a No.8 to replace a missing RS rider, I'd like to also extend the rule so that the No.8 also has to be used if the No.6 is missing.  Should be no guests at reserve.

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Interesting idea, not sure what Peterborough would've thought if they had to replace an injured Andersen / Harris / Pedersen with a junior though?

[Racin Jason 72]

I’d like to know what happened to this season just gone junior league? Not a single fixture was ridden and no explanation from the BSPL 

must be a massive lump under that carpet by now

[Flappy]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:02 PM, szkocjasid said:

Interesting idea, not sure what Peterborough would've thought if they had to replace an injured Andersen / Harris / Pedersen with a junior though?

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It wouldn't be possible at the number 6 is part of the team building figure

[scoobydoo]

  On 11/29/2021 at 11:17 AM, kevin bass said:

Be even better if both teams were using R/R then just promote the number 8 rather then use R/R, or is that to simple

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 If its equivalent averaged riders who are out injured maybe but if one team loses a second string the other there #1 will cause some issues

[PotteringAround]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:00 PM, szkocjasid said:

 "Tom Brennan played his part in Great Britain’s stunning world title glory at the Monster Energy FIM Speedway of Nations"

As has been mentioned before if Kai Ward rode for GB & finished his two heats, GB still would have won!

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And then Kai Ward would have played his part.  But Kai Ward didn't ride, Tom Brennan did.    So Tom brennan played his part.  I don't see the problem.

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:02 PM, szkocjasid said:

Interesting idea, not sure what Peterborough would've thought if they had to replace an injured Andersen / Harris / Pedersen with a junior though?

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As long as the rules were known at the start of the season, what's the problem?    A team planning on a super-strong No.6 would know the risk they were taking if he got injured.  It would be up to each team to assess the risk and decide if they want to go down that route.

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:04 PM, Flappy said:

It wouldn't be possible at the number 6 is part of the team building figure

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Of course it would be possible.  The rule would say "facility for a missing reserve/rising star  =  No.8 only

[Flappy]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:18 PM, PotteringAround said:

And then Kai Ward would have played his part.  But Kai Ward didn't ride, Tom Brennan did.    So Tom brennan played his part.  I don't see the problem.

As long as the rules were known at the start of the season, what's the problem?    A team planning on a super-strong No.6 would know the risk they were taking if he got injured.  It would be up to each team to assess the risk and decide if they want to go down that route.

Of course it would be possible.  The rule would say "facility for a missing reserve/rising star  =  No.8 only

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Would only work if they stuck to their initial plan of 2 rising stars. No teams in their right mind would vote to replace a 6 pointer with a young wobbler. 

[PotteringAround]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:43 PM, Flappy said:

Would only work if they stuck to their initial plan of 2 rising stars. No teams in their right mind would vote to replace a 6 pointer with a young wobbler. 

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The No.8 is a second rising star.   That's the whole idea.  No one has suggested using "a young wobbler"

[szkocjasid]

  On 11/29/2021 at 12:48 PM, PotteringAround said:

It can only be a positive.

It was ridiculous last year that Sheffield could lose their Rising Star early in the season and then get an advantage by being able to handpick a No.7 guest for every match on a horses for courses basis.  At least Wolves re-declared a new Rising Star.

As well as having a No.8 to replace a missing RS rider, I'd like to also extend the rule so that the No.8 also has to be used if the No.6 is missing.  Should be no guests at reserve.

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  On 11/29/2021 at 1:04 PM, Flappy said:

It wouldn't be possible as the number 6 is part of the team building figure

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I was responding to the suggestion by Pottering Around that the number 8 should replace both reserves 

[szkocjasid]

  On 11/29/2021 at 1:18 PM, PotteringAround said:

And then Kai Ward would have played his part. But Kai Ward didn't ride, Tom Brennan did. So Tom Brennan played his part. I don't see the problem.

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I agree that Tom Brennan "played his part" but also point out that "his part" had nothing to do with GB winning the meeting!