Being called a 'bad name'

[OGT]

More fuss about this in the media than the grooming gangs, says it all really. 

[Jonny the spud]

17 hours ago, geoff100 said:

Why is aussie not a racist saying yet p***** clearly is in your words ?

Thé mère fact that you won’t even type the word shows that you know it’s wrong 

[Ray Stadia]

56 minutes ago, Jonny the spud said:

Thé mère fact that you won’t even type the word shows that you know it’s wrong 

The word is simply a shortened version of Pakistani, as Aussie is a shortened version of Australian, therefore, they are similar. But, society and certainly the Asian community has decided it's a derogatory term. I watched a film on Netflix the other day, it was a 15 film and the 'C' word was used. I was surprised and a bit dumb struck that the 'C' word is acceptable for 15 year olds. Obviously 15 year olds know the word and many may use it, but is it acceptable to be used in a 15 film? Words can be sensitised and desensitised.   

[geoff100]

In cumbria  workington and whitehaven miners and rugby players and  decent folk have for years called eachother "jam eaters" can u imagine anyone going to the media and complaining about it !

[IainB]

22 hours ago, geoff100 said:

Why is aussie not a racist saying yet p***** clearly is in your words ?

I was listening to somebody on the radio the other day dancing around calling somebody from New Zealand a kiwi! Or soon to be K word

3 hours ago, Ray Stadia said:

The word is simply a shortened version of Pakistani, as Aussie is a shortened version of Australian, therefore, they are similar.

I clearly remember the intro to Channel 9's cricket coverage, must have been a world cup and even in that intro the song referred to the the Pakistanis as Paki's and the West Indians as Windies.

Offence is not always given but often taken.

Edited November 18, 2021 by iainb

[Humphrey Appleby]

16 minutes ago, iainb said:

I clearly remember the intro to Channel 9's cricket coverage, must have been a world cup and even in that intro the song referred to the the Pakistanis as Paki's and the West Indians as Windies.

Offence is not always given but often taken.

Yes, because it wasn't offensive in Australia in the past because it wasn't used in an offensive way. The term really isn't used though now as the media there has become more aware of the international connotations.

I'm sure you know very well that the P-word is a highly derogatory term in the UK, and has been for at least 50 years. What makes any word offensive - who knows - but the fact that some are trying to argue that it's just some sort of endearment really demonstrates a lot of the issue.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Humphrey Appleby

[Deano]

29 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said:

The word is simply a shortened version of Pakistani, as Aussie is a shortened version of Australian, therefore, they are similar. But, society and certainly the Asian community has decided it's a derogatory term.

It’s not that simple. Why should an Indian or Bangladeshi or anyone else from those parts not from Pakistan find it acceptable to be called a Pakistani when they aren’t? Those countries do not get on.

Many Irish whether on holiday in Europe or the commonwealth get called Brits. Mainly through appearance and shared language, lots find it offensive but put up with it.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Deano

[IainB]

Just now, Humphrey Appleby said:

What makes any word offensive - who knows

I was discussing the "4 hours at the Capitol" documentary (which is an excellent watch btw) with my mum the other week, she said she didn't like it because of all the bad language in it, a lot of F bombs were dropped. I said to her you didn't like it because of the language but didn't even mention all the violence and actually seeing somebody shot dead on screen... which I found shocking... go figure!

[Ray Stadia]

7 minutes ago, Deano said:

It’s not that simple. Why should an Indian or Bangladeshi or anyone else from those parts not from Pakistan find it acceptable to be called a Pakistani when they aren’t? Those countries do not get on.

Many Irish whether on holiday in Europe or the commonwealth get called Brits. Mainly through appearance and shared language, lots find it offensive but put up with it.

 

 

And also, in other countries, whether you are Irish, Northern Irish, Welsh, Scottish, get called 'English', which must get up their nose! The Germans, during the 2nd world war, constantly referred to being at war with England! How many New Zealanders are mistaken as Australians? There are many examples.  

[E I Addio]

44 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said:

The word is simply a shortened version of Pakistani, as Aussie is a shortened version of Australian, therefore, they are similar. But, society and certainly the Asian community has decided it's a derogatory term. I watched a film on Netflix the other day, it was a 15 film and the 'C' word was used. I was surprised and a bit dumb struck that the 'C' word is acceptable for 15 year olds. Obviously 15 year olds know the word and many may use it, but is it acceptable to be used in a 15 film? Words can be sensitised and desensitised.   

Monty Panesar was on TV talking about it recently, making sensible distinctions between banter and aggression. He he said when he was in Australia he was walking down to fine leg and someone shouted “ Where’s your elephant ? “ and he replied “It’s got stuck in Customs” . Everyone laughed, no offence intended and none taken. But all that is a long way from more aggressive use of language. When I first heard the word P.aki it was in the context of Paki-Bashing which is highly offensive.

[B.V 72]

To me there are obvious words that are offensive and i don't use them.

But i do find that these days someone will find offence in almost anything and everything to the point where i am not sure what i can and can't say anymore.

I even thought twice about posting my views on here in case i offended someone with my point of view.

[Ray Stadia]

It would appear, Azeem Rafiq might have 'shot himself in the foot', according to the news today! 

[HackneyHawk]

On 11/16/2021 at 2:05 PM, Ray Stadia said:

I wonder how many retired speedway riders there are, who have been mentally scarred, by being called a 'bad name' by the rest of the team, management or promoter? 

Oh jesus no, issues of race being discussed on a speedway forum.   I can't bear to look but can I have a pound every time one of you says the word Snowflake?

N.B: I am a snowflake myself, hence not being able to look

[HackneyHawk]

On 11/16/2021 at 2:05 PM, Ray Stadia said:

I wonder how many retired speedway riders there are, who have been mentally scarred, by being called a 'bad name' by the rest of the team, management or promoter? 

I will just quickly say though Ray you sound like you're being wilfully divisive and we don't need it on a Speedway forum.  I'm sure there's lots of horrible little social media groups on which you already discuss this???

[Ray Stadia]

18 minutes ago, HackneyHawk said:

I will just quickly say though Ray you sound like you're being wilfully divisive and we don't need it on a Speedway forum.  I'm sure there's lots of horrible little social media groups on which you already discuss this???

 

24 minutes ago, HackneyHawk said:

Oh jesus no, issues of race being discussed on a speedway forum.   I can't bear to look but can I have a pound every time one of you says the word Snowflake?

N.B: I am a snowflake myself, hence not being able to look

I will just quickly say, the trouble with 'wokes' and the trouble with 'snowflakes' is nobody outside their bubble, is allowed to have an opinion! I hope that was quick enough for you!  

[Humphrey Appleby]

4 hours ago, Ray Stadia said:

I will just quickly say, the trouble with 'wokes' and the trouble with 'snowflakes' is nobody outside their bubble, is allowed to have an opinion! I hope that was quick enough for you!  

I will just quickly say, the trouble with anti-'wokes' is that they seem to think that no-one should disagree with their opinion.

No-one has stopped you stating your opinion on here, but others equally have the right to take issue with it. 

[customhouseregular]

This may be slightly off topic and maybe the Jokes thread is the correct place but...watch on YouTube Benny Hill... Mr. Chow Mein auditions as a ventriloquist. Some may think this racist but I don’t, it’s really funny.

[Ray Stadia]

12 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

I will just quickly say, the trouble with anti-'wokes' is that they seem to think that no-one should disagree with their opinion.

No-one has stopped you stating your opinion on here, but others equally have the right to take issue with it. 

I haven't stated an opinion, I was merely asking whether speedway had had any issues. I haven't stated I am anti-woke. Everyone has the right to an opinion. But in my experience, people who are woke or are snowflake seem to think opinion is one way.....theirs. So, respectfully, wind your neck in! 

[chunky]

On 11/18/2021 at 4:01 AM, Ray Stadia said:

And also, in other countries, whether you are Irish, Northern Irish, Welsh, Scottish, get called 'English', which must get up their nose! The Germans, during the 2nd world war, constantly referred to being at war with England! How many New Zealanders are mistaken as Australians? There are many examples.  

As an Englishman living in the US, I get tired of being asked, "Are you Australian"?" Or Scottish? A few months ago, somebody said they'd met a Scot - and he sounded just like me! Then I have to explain that Wales is not a part of England. And that Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and not Ireland.

[chunky]

On 11/18/2021 at 4:15 AM, E I Addio said:

Monty Panesar was on TV talking about it recently, making sensible distinctions between banter and aggression. He he said when he was in Australia he was walking down to fine leg and someone shouted “ Where’s your elephant ? “ and he replied “It’s got stuck in Customs” . Everyone laughed, no offence intended and none taken. But all that is a long way from more aggressive use of language. When I first heard the word P.aki it was in the context of Paki-Bashing which is highly offensive.

Where the world has gone crazy is that, not only can we not laugh at each other - WE HAVE LOST THE ABILITY TO LAUGH AT OURSELVES! Part of being British is being able to take the piss out of each other - and ourselves.