SteveLyric2 Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 The 'traditional' AGM has always been 2-3 days. This year its only to be a 'one-day' rubber-stamping exercise of what has been already agreed over the Zoom meetings and to give Brummies more time. Most company AGM's have a very strict agenda and are usually over and done with in a couple of hours at most! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 would have been good to lower the 2nd div averages more and limit DU/DD with a view to seriously limiting it further in future but its another same old same old and you know what Einstein said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, MattB said: BOTH professional leagues can confirm agreement has been reached on team building regulations for the 2022 season – and Oxford Cheetahs are back! Promoters have held a general meeting to discuss regulations and the Premiership will build to 39 points for six riders plus a rider from the Rising Star scheme. The Championship will build to 42-points for seven riders. These decisions are official with the traditional AGM no longer in place. Discussions on all aspects of the sport have proved to be extremely productive as clubs look to build on an entertaining but challenging 2021. It can also be confirmed that Oxford will return to the sport at their traditional Cowley Stadium home and will enter the Championship. The door has remained open for both Kent and Birmingham to also enter the Championship if new promoters can be found to take on the clubs and they have until the AGM to do this. The National Development League will stage an AGM soon with more clubs looking to enter than in recent seasons. Rob Godfrey, Chairman of British Speedway Promoters Ltd said: "The members of both the Premiership and Championship have held in-depth discussions over the past few weeks and months. "Riders are starting to be announced by clubs because there is an agreement in place in both leagues regarding team building rules. "We are delighted to welcome Oxford back into the sport at the same time as continuing to support Eastbourne in their hope for a return in 2023. We also hope Kent and Birmingham’s issues can be resolved to bring them to the tapes for 2022. "The 2021 season, particularly towards the end with the wonderful success of the GB national team and the brilliant Grand Final showcased by our broadcast partner Eurosport to a huge audience, underlines that speedway is still very much alive and kicking in this country. Long may it continue." Everything’s fine, onwards and upwards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Anyone know what the decision was on conversion rates? Obviously there was the 5 year plan to increase from 1.5 to 2.0 in increments of 0.1 each season but that "stalled due to covid" (no idea what covid had to do with a conversion rate). Will the increase actually be applied or was the only thing to come out of the zoom meetings is to drop all 5 year plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Anyone know what the decision was on conversion rates? Obviously there was the 5 year plan to increase from 1.5 to 2.0 in increments of 0.1 each season but that "stalled due to covid" (no idea what covid had to do with a conversion rate). Will the increase actually be applied or was the only thing to come out of the zoom meetings is to drop all 5 year plans? The only plan is to make it up as they go along...which every year means cobbling together what's left. And er, that's it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Anyone know what the decision was on conversion rates? Obviously there was the 5 year plan to increase from 1.5 to 2.0 in increments of 0.1 each season but that "stalled due to covid" (no idea what covid had to do with a conversion rate). Will the increase actually be applied or was the only thing to come out of the zoom meetings is to drop all 5 year plans? Most riders ride in both leagues so therefore have REAL averages for both leagues, so were or how does the conversion rate apply? 27 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Anyone know what the decision was on conversion rates? Obviously there was the 5 year plan to increase from 1.5 to 2.0 in increments of 0.1 each season but that "stalled due to covid" (no idea what covid had to do with a conversion rate). Will the increase actually be applied or was the only thing to come out of the zoom meetings is to drop all 5 year plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, Ghosty said: Most riders ride in both leagues so therefore have REAL averages for both leagues, so were or how does the conversion rate apply? It is a bit bizarre isnt it? As you say most riders have two averages so just use them in each league... Using a conversion figure could mean that riders are not as good as their actual figure that they got last year... Or maybe could mean that they are actually better than the figure that they got last year... In essence they could be better, or worse, than themselves... They just don't know it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 6 hours ago, heathen52 said: Can someone tell me, whats the point of having a RS scheme in the Premier League but not in the Championship ?, surely the point is progression of young riders so it should follow that the RS scheme means the Championship is the natural step up for young riders then the Premiership. RS scheme only exists at PL level to keep the cost down for clubs imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Disappointed to see that the Championship clubs have dumped the Rising Star programme. For me riders need to be able to progress through the league and to do this the programme has to run through all of the leagues. So it is looking like only 6 teams in the Premiership So with one Rising Star for each team these are the riders that should be the 6 Rising Star, Leon Flint Tom Brennan Jordan Palin Anders Rowe Drew Kemp Dan Thompson I would then like to see reserve list, these riders will cover Guest appearances for the above riders, retirements or riders dropped. Dan Gilkes Joe Thompson Jason Edwards Henry Atkins Jack Parkinson Blackburn Connor Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, spin king said: Disappointed to see that the Championship clubs have dumped the Rising Star programme. For me riders need to be able to progress through the league and to do this the programme has to run through all of the leagues. So it is looking like only 6 teams in the Premiership So with one Rising Star for each team these are the riders that should be the 6 Rising Star, Leon Flint Tom Brennan Jordan Palin Anders Rowe Drew Kemp Dan Thompson I would then like to see reserve list, these riders will cover Guest appearances for the above riders, retirements or riders dropped. Dan Gilkes Joe Thompson Jason Edwards Henry Atkins Jack Parkinson Blackburn Connor Bailey It is a quick win to keep credibility to a meeting rather destroy it isnt it? No RS's guesting in the top league for each other... Use the next tier downs riders.. You could maybe even do the same for anyone who doesnt DU and only rides in the 2nd tier.. They then are the only ones allowed to guest in tier 1 for riders 2nd in the averages down.. A No1 missing means RR.. One that allows all riders to cover his rides as many times as the manager wants, but to a max of 7 rides each per meeting.. Given the No1's are no longer head and shoulders ahead of the other heat leaders now it is a perfect opportunity to dispense with guests.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 The only thing about the Championship not using RS anymore is, are there enough from the NL able to move up and not struggle doing it? Is that why they have dropped it. As I think there is more than enough from the Championship that could compete in the Prem as RS. I'm happy to be corrected as usual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: The 'traditional' AGM has always been 2-3 days. This year its only to be a 'one-day' rubber-stamping exercise of what has been already agreed over the Zoom meetings and to give Brummies more time. Most company AGM's have a very strict agenda and are usually over and done with in a couple of hours at most! I'm glad to hear there as some sort of AGM, as I'm sure I read in the local press that Danny Ford said he wasn't going to announce any signings til after it. So thought I was going to have to turn up in March/April and see who comes to the tapes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: The only thing about the Championship not using RS anymore is, are there enough from the NL able to move up and not struggle doing it? Is that why they have dropped it. As I think there is more than enough from the Championship that could compete in the Prem as RS. I'm happy to be corrected as usual! I think thats exactly why they dropped it although theres an argument to say if "we" are not producing enough riders on the conveyor belt the solution shouldn't be to abandon the process but look at ways of improving it. The NDL was dulled down so those who might have been ready to push on weren't really pushed and those definitely ready had a casual easy season. If the RS system remained (as flawed as it was) it would at least force clubs in higher divisions to take an interest in the progress of emerging riders and do something about it to assist like (dare i say it) the do in Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 9 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: No change. Same 6 teams. This time the season will be over an extra 2 months so how they will work the fixture list out god knows. Can't afford 3/4 week haps between fixtures. 4 of the 6 prem teams can keep all there riders wolves and Peterborough need to change there retiring riders with lesser riders. So basically weakening the product yet again. Glad Oxford are back and look forward to seeing a meeting from there in 2022 And that just about sums up British Speedway!! Never mind the fact that Bjarne Pedersen himself is retiring anyway and the Peterborough 2021 team was built in a very specific way. The team building points limit is raised, yet one team is still set to replace one of the season-ending reserves with a lower averaged rider!! Not their No.1, but a reserve for heaven's sake!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarracudaAce said: And that just about sums up British Speedway!! Never mind the fact that Bjarne Pedersen himself is retiring anyway and the Peterborough 2021 team was built in a very specific way. The team building points limit is raised, yet one team is still set to replace one of the season-ending reserves with a lower averaged rider!! Not their No.1, but a reserve for heaven's sake!! They aren't weakening the product (for a change). No team will even be forced to release anyone. There are 3 teams above the limit and 3 teams below it. The three above are Peterborough (Pedersen retiring), Wolves (Schlein retiring) and Belle Vue (Bewley not riding in UK). For a change, nobody even has to let anyone go if they don't want to, which is always the worst part of having a successful team. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Grachan said: They aren't weakening the product (for a change). No team will even be forced to release anyone. There are 3 teams above the limit and 3 teams below it. The three above are Peterborough (Pedersen retiring), Wolves (Schlein retiring) and Belle Vue (Bewley not riding in UK). For a change, nobody even has to let anyone go if they don't want to, which is always the worst part of having a successful team. I couldn't agree with you more on your last comment, but it is being weakened for 3 clubs (yes, only 3 clubs - but that is 50% of the league) and they would have had to release a rider(s) without the retirees and Dan's situation. The point I was making was the fact that one rider to lose his job because of team building limits could well have been a reserve (if Bjarne had not been retiring and Peterborough chosen to replace him than someone else) and just seems plain daft to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Embarrass themselves every year at the BSPA. 5 year plan for the RS pretty sure every man and their dog could’ve told you last year this would only last a season and well there we go scrapped already. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Should have introduced a Lucky Loser like Poland. They know how to do things right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 15 hours ago, lisa-colette said: The only thing about the Championship not using RS anymore is, are there enough from the NL able to move up and not struggle doing it? Is that why they have dropped it. As I think there is more than enough from the Championship that could compete in the Prem as RS. I'm happy to be corrected as usual! If you are correct which iv no reason to doubt, then why is that ? Ohhhhh i forgot the BSPL in there wisdom decided to dumb down the NL, again short sighted gain for long term loss which just about sums up the BSPL over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 20 hours ago, spin king said: Disappointed to see that the Championship clubs have dumped the Rising Star programme. For me riders need to be able to progress through the league and to do this the programme has to run through all of the leagues. So it is looking like only 6 teams in the Premiership So with one Rising Star for each team these are the riders that should be the 6 Rising Star, Leon Flint Tom Brennan Jordan Palin Anders Rowe Drew Kemp Dan Thompson I would then like to see reserve list, these riders will cover Guest appearances for the above riders, retirements or riders dropped. Dan Gilkes Joe Thompson Jason Edwards Henry Atkins Jack Parkinson Blackburn Connor Bailey What? No Danyon Hume? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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