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On 1/7/2022 at 9:33 PM, PotteringAround said:

Also wouldn't they be better with a different nickname?  Leicester already have Cubs.   Do we have to double up on nicknames in a league of just 8 teams?

Great minds think alike.   

Oxford Cheetahs and Oxford Chargers.   I quite like that.   Much better than every feline nicknamed club calling their junior side "Cubs".

 

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Welcome back Ben Hopwood! It feels like ages ago he rude but it was only 2018. 

A strong top 3 of Hopwood, Jenkins & Stoneman. Good luck to Stoneman who deserves a decent run after several nasty injuries. Hagon will continue to improve. But it could be a very long tail. 

Has anyone seem confirmation of Hopwood or Stoneman’s averages because they must be getting reductions to be within the points limit?

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More shock comebacks in the team but Stoneman and Jenkins is a powerful top 2 and strong middle order with Hopwood and Hagon. Clouting will benefit from a change of track. Will run the numbers un a minute and see how close or far out it actually is?

So the latest i can find are

Jenkins 9.56

Hagon 5.75

Clouting 4.30

Stoneman 8.22 (2019)

Hopwood 7.16 (2018)

Total 34.99

So looks like just needs a point reduction on Hopwood and a pair of 3 pointers will fit?

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1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

More shock comebacks in the team but Stoneman and Jenkins is a powerful top 2 and strong middle order with Hopwood and Hagon. Clouting will benefit from a change of track. Will run the numbers un a minute and see how close or far out it actually is?

So the latest i can find are

Jenkins 9.56

Hagon 5.75

Clouting 4.30

Stoneman 8.22 (2019)

Hopwood 7.16 (2018)

Total 34.99

So looks like just needs a point reduction on Hopwood and a pair of 3 pointers will fit?

I've got the same figures as you.  With a couple of 3.00, they'd be at 40.99.   So over the limit.

Averages are reduced by 8% if a rider has missed a full year due to injury.   Stoneman missed 2021 and Hopwood missed 2019 and 2021.  Not sure if either or both riders were missing due to injury, but if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were both injured and couldn't ride, and give them both 8% reduction, then Stoneman becomes 7.56 and Hopwood 6.59, and it would fit.

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40 minutes ago, PotteringAround said:

I've got the same figures as you.  With a couple of 3.00, they'd be at 40.99.   So over the limit.

Averages are reduced by 8% if a rider has missed a full year due to injury.   Stoneman missed 2021 and Hopwood missed 2019 and 2021.  Not sure if either or both riders were missing due to injury, but if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were both injured and couldn't ride, and give them both 8% reduction, then Stoneman becomes 7.56 and Hopwood 6.59, and it would fit.

If memory serves the Hopwood did get injured in 2018 but can't remember what and if it forced him out of 2019 or he sat out, Stoneman rode the early meetings on the IOW before hurting himself so would think he doesn't qualify? 

Either way its great they are both back Nathan is great entertainment to watch and if Hopwood is on a 6ish average and got fit whilst away he could add to that most weeks.

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45 minutes ago, PotteringAround said:

I've got the same figures as you.  With a couple of 3.00, they'd be at 40.99.   So over the limit.

Averages are reduced by 8% if a rider has missed a full year due to injury.   Stoneman missed 2021 and Hopwood missed 2019 and 2021.  Not sure if either or both riders were missing due to injury, but if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were both injured and couldn't ride, and give them both 8% reduction, then Stoneman becomes 7.56 and Hopwood 6.59, and it would fit.

However that is not a rational approach, as because of the destrengthening of the NDL all other averages will have been inflated so a 7pt 2018 average is more equivalent to an 8pt current GSA. 

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Enjoyed watching Stoneman on occasions riding for Brummies but he'll struggle to average more than 7 I'd think with heat leaders at most other NDL teams. 

Hopwood was entertaining too v Brummies when we were in NDL and looks a 6 pointer to me. 

Sam Hagon could be an excellent signing of he can stop getting injured. 

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4 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

More shock comebacks in the team but Stoneman and Jenkins is a powerful top 2 and strong middle order with Hopwood and Hagon. Clouting will benefit from a change of track. Will run the numbers un a minute and see how close or far out it actually is?

So the latest i can find are

Jenkins 9.56

Hagon 5.75

Clouting 4.30

Stoneman 8.22 (2019)

Hopwood 7.16 (2018)

Total 34.99

So looks like just needs a point reduction on Hopwood and a pair of 3 pointers will fit?

I can’t remember for certain, but didn’t Hopwood ride for Plymouth after IOW in 2018? His IOW ending average was 7.16 but 7.37 at Plymouth. 

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2 hours ago, Islander15 said:

I can’t remember for certain, but didn’t Hopwood ride for Plymouth after IOW in 2018? His IOW ending average was 7.16 but 7.37 at Plymouth. 

Good point. I had it my head that it was the other way round for some reason but greensheets don't lie (often). The Courtney calculator is working overtime again.

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6 hours ago, Rosie76 said:

i would not be surprised to see the 3 pointers will be riders from other motorbike sports that have not tried speedway yet. That would fit the academy idea. Who else with speedway experience would be available on 3.00 average?

I would find it extremely insulting to everyone involved if the 3 pointers were non speedway riders. They would be a danger to all other riders on track with them and insulting to paying fans and every other 3 pointer working hard to secure a team place. 

Develop riders through an academy sure but dont ridicule the NDL

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57 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

I would find it extremely insulting to everyone involved if the 3 pointers were non speedway riders. They would be a danger to all other riders on track with them and insulting to paying fans and every other 3 pointer working hard to secure a team place. 

Develop riders through an academy sure but dont ridicule the NDL

I'd personally rather see the next Danny Ayres, Steve Worrall, Craig Cook rather than seeing James Chattin and Ryan MacDonald again (no offence to them lads, but they just haven't cut it with so many opportunities) Fair enough, if the league was bigger, there'd be more space for the likes of James and Ryan.

I'm sure if a promotion is willing to put a rider in their NL team on a 3.00, even if they are a ex motocross rider, they'll have had plenty of experience on a speedway bike at the many training days across the country. There are currently a couple riders just from the top of my head I can think of who have just transitioned from road racing and motocross who are based in the midlands of the country. They are older lads (late 20s) but they are very talented at riding fast bikes. They could do a real good job helping our leagues grow into more homegrown riders, which is what we need at the end of the day.

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1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said:

I'd personally rather see the next Danny Ayres, Steve Worrall, Craig Cook rather than seeing James Chattin and Ryan MacDonald again (no offence to them lads, but they just haven't cut it with so many opportunities) Fair enough, if the league was bigger, there'd be more space for the likes of James and Ryan.

I'm sure if a promotion is willing to put a rider in their NL team on a 3.00, even if they are a ex motocross rider, they'll have had plenty of experience on a speedway bike at the many training days across the country. There are currently a couple riders just from the top of my head I can think of who have just transitioned from road racing and motocross who are based in the midlands of the country. They are older lads (late 20s) but they are very talented at riding fast bikes. They could do a real good job helping our leagues grow into more homegrown riders, which is what we need at the end of the day.

Im more than happy to see riders transition accross from other sports and be included because they are good enough. 

The original post was regarding signing riders who haven't even ridden a speedway bike yet so unless fragile Crutchlow fancies a crack i think it will be someone who knows roughly what to do. 

Sadly there only ever was and will be one Danny Ayres 

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6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Im more than happy to see riders transition accross from other sports and be included because they are good enough. 

The original post was regarding signing riders who haven't even ridden a speedway bike yet so unless fragile Crutchlow fancies a crack i think it will be someone who knows roughly what to do. 

Sadly there only ever was and will be one Danny Ayres 

They definitely are few and far between, was just trying to think how Georgie Wood got his go, think that was from a taster day at Arlington, maybe Powell and Brooks, but they were all accomplished grass trackers used to powerful 500cc bikes. Not sure there's any more of that type waiting in the wings.

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