robbieblackadder fan club Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 18 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Certainly. Rye - fixed race nights plus a green promotor Worky - over achieving team and questionable budgeting Lakeside - track sold Swindon - liar developer/greyhound promotion Somerset - track worth more for development Eastbourne - feals done by man not paying the actual money and charlatan promoter. Birmingham - costs more to run than Masons realised (not helped by arc) Newcastle - misjudgement between income vs outgoings from green promotion. How many of those clubs could have been helped, guided or given more time to put things right? All bar Lakeside, Swindon and Somerset. I think that’s a bit unfair on Newcastle the biggest problem they had was large unknown tax bill from the previous promotion, they wanted to start a new company when they took over so they had no come back from the previous promotion but the BSPA Bodies persuaded them it was in their best interests to keep the existing company for voting rights etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Certainly. Rye - fixed race nights plus a green promotor Worky - over achieving team and questionable budgeting Lakeside - track sold Swindon - liar developer/greyhound promotion Somerset - track worth more for development Eastbourne - feals done by man not paying the actual money and charlatan promoter. Birmingham - costs more to run than Masons realised (not helped by arc) Newcastle - misjudgement between income vs outgoings from green promotion. How many of those clubs could have been helped, guided or given more time to put things right? All bar Lakeside, Swindon and Somerset. So, in your opinion, nothing to do with the ".............. hallmark of the current mafia board" of which you alluded to. Edited November 4, 2021 by IronScorpion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Jimsboy said: Do not believe a word Ian"Carol" Jordan prints or says. You only have to read on the eagles facebook page and every week in speedway star like Lewi Kerr today. The man is a lier Could the riders take Ian Jordan to court for unpaid wages through the Small Claims Procedure? I have never liked the idea that unpaid riders are threatened with a 28 day ban if they refuse to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, M.D said: Eastbourne's crowd figures can support championship speedway It, also, seemed very strange as all the riders were British (no outgoings for flights) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 8:45 AM, Phil The Ace said: Courtney running Oxford apparently They wanted Friday nights in champ but good old Godfrey refused them Friday nights in champ. So God knows what day and league Oxford will be in now Classic! I still cannot understand the farce that is the governance of our sport. No active promoter should be anywhere near the management committee or decision making for our sport. It's an utter disgrace. I for one am delighted to see Oxford return, not only is it a returning track but it will turn out to be my local one too! I hope they go championship so I can see the Gladiators there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: I am sure Rob will have the figures, but from my memory changing from Saturday night racing to midweek racing halved the attendance and killed Rye House. So the BSPA did the damage with fixed race nights. Finished Poole off in the PL too. Promotion were naive in expecting crowds to turn up fighting the midweek horrendous traffic on the M25. I rarely made it to a midweek meeting from here......M2 , Dartford Tunnel, M25 , A10 ☹️ With hindsight they should have gone CL. Local derbies against Lakeside. The crowds were down by way more than half. The average in 2017 must have been around the 1,500 mark as there were some big crowds that year at Rye. On a Monday or Wednesday night they were down to 500 for some of them and remember being at the Leicester meeting in 2018 on a Monday/Wednesday with crap weather and there couldn't have been more than 400 max. Fixed race nights killed the club and those two clowns, Godfrey and Chapman refused to let Rye go back to Saturday nights and preferred to kill the club instead. 3 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: For riders doubling up they are. This is why no one takes the sport seriously in this country. We are killing clubs and using fixed race nights so riders can ride for multiple teams. The two leagues are no different in standard now. I have hardly attended a British meeting since Rye closed as it's mickey mouse with riders riding for two clubs at basically the same level. There can't be any attachment to riders and must look completely insane to outsiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, robbieblackadder fan club said: I think that’s a bit unfair on Newcastle the biggest problem they had was large unknown tax bill from the previous promotion, they wanted to start a new company when they took over so they had no come back from the previous promotion but the BSPA Bodies persuaded them it was in their best interests to keep the existing company for voting rights etc. Slightly unfair but i do stand by that Rob Grant was naïve with the takeover and being ushered by the board to keep the existing company against his better instincts. 25 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: So, in your opinion, nothing to do with the ".............. hallmark of the current mafia board" of which you alluded to. We could be here all day and night listing the multiple reasons why the listed clubs closed. There will always be over arching issues and also all could have had more help to remain active. The current mafia board are not bad people they are just making decisions based upon the short term benefits to their own businesses rather than the sport as a whole (and if replaced with a whole bunch of new promotions things could still be much the same). What the board could do a lot better is be more open and transparent about the decision process rather than the cloak and dagger (lies) approach that is currently in play and they would find themselves far greater respected for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 Makes you wonder what the BSPL are actually trying to promote…. Their own bank accounts I think - certainly not the sport. Time for Oxford to play hard ball with the BSPL. If they have a business plan for Friday night racing, then they need to stick to it. Otherwise Oxford should tell the BSPL to stick their leagues pull out and keep their hard earned money in the bank. As for the premier league ,Seems impossible that any new club will be joining unless they have a fan base that will turn out midweek . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Slightly unfair but i do stand by that Rob Grant was naïve with the takeover and being ushered by the board to keep the existing company against his better instincts. We could be here all day and night listing the multiple reasons why the listed clubs closed. There will always be over arching issues and also all could have had more help to remain active. The current mafia board are not bad people they are just making decisions based upon the short term benefits to their own businesses rather than the sport as a whole (and if replaced with a whole bunch of new promotions things could still be much the same). What the board could do a lot better is be more open and transparent about the decision process rather than the cloak and dagger (lies) approach that is currently in play and they would find themselves far greater respected for it. As you say he was persuaded to do so by the governing body against his better judgment, I don’t think that is naive he is taking notice of those who have allegedly more experience and therefore in a better position to offer sound advice which turned out to total and utter rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 It would be devastating if after a decade and a half's relentless campaigning Oxford were then to fail due to the BSPL...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 9:24 PM, crescent girl said: We'll see. Remember this post. Championship or Premiership, the general consensus is Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowleyCheetahs Posted November 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, lewy said: Championship or Premiership, the general consensus is Championship It’s 100% championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 Crescent girl is adamant its Premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, lewy said: Crescent girl is adamant its Premiership Maybe it's Berwick in Championship, Oxford in Premiership courtesy of Jamie Courtney Or maybe the other way round also courtesy of Jamie Courtney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowleyCheetahs Posted November 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, lewy said: Crescent girl is adamant its Premiership Battle of the sources! Wonder who will be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 Was going to say for it to be championship young Mr Courtney need to resign from Berwick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Was going to say for it to be championship young Mr Courtney need to resign from Berwick? If Oxford change their minds and go for the Championship, then Chris Harris will also have to choose between Berwick and Oxford, since he's signed for both.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 For Oxford to be allowed to enter the championship as it currently stands with a Friday night race night then one of the current Friday night tracks will have to move leagues or race nights. Clubs have previously been blocked from having Fridays as, since Glasgow and Scunthorpe moved to Fridays, there simply isn’t enough room to accommodate another Friday fixture, as eight teams will already be riding on the same night and that causes issues with rider availability when the dreaded guests are needed , which they inevitably are with injuries, riding abroad, required for Team GB , family birthday etc happens. But , we wait and see what the new ‘ cunning plan’ for the saving of British speedway is, Godfrey & Co. could surprise us all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 6:01 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: We're did you get this information because as far as I understand it Oxford wanted premiership but application blocked by the clubs in it . Mr Godfrey dose not make the decisions as it's a board of members he's just the one who announces them and takes the flack for it. Think those that think it's a one man dictatorship need to give their heads a wobble and find another agenda So Oxford will be running Fridays then??? Which is there wish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowleyCheetahs Posted November 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, PotteringAround said: If Oxford change their minds and go for the Championship, then Chris Harris will also have to choose between Berwick and Oxford, since he's signed for both.... He will ride for Berwick in the Championship and another Premiership team (not oxford) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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