M.D Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: 8 teams. 7 riders per team. Equals 56 riders needed.. 8 teams. 6 riders per team. Equals 48 riders needed.. 8 teams. 5 riders per team. Equals 40 riders needed.. Use six or five man teams and you have plenty of riders to come in and replace those missing.. Far better to deliver a credible offering, and do it on nights that can deliver your best crowds, and thus grow the sport as a collective.. Yes but its not, its 7 man teams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, M.D said: Yes but its not, its 7 man teams But it shouldn't be 7 man teams if you cant make the leagues credible entities using that template.. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time? Madness is the definition I believe.. (Which is quite Ironic really as there was seven in that band, and then six).... Edited November 16, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, mikebv said: It makes total sense to allow tracks to race on the night they feel will deliver their best crowds.. And for an entertainment business you would think Friday would deliver more punters than a Wednesday. (Especially the much needed families with young kids who hopefuly will become adult punters in later years).. Absolute crackers that they hold back the sports growth by preventing teams from riding on nights they want to because it means not enough guests will be available.... A ruling that destroys all the sport's credibility, and therefore reduces crowds significantly, and keeps major sponsors and mainstream media away, prevents tracks from riding on nights that they feel would increase the crowds that follow the sport.. An amazing plan... Personally I don't subscribe to the kids with families bit . Whether it's midweek or not if your going your going always found it a weak excuse. You look at any midweek football crowd and it's full of kids maybe it's just speedway kids who need to be in bed early 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Personally I don't subscribe to the kids with families bit . Whether it's midweek or not if your going your going always found it a weak excuse. You look at any midweek football crowd and it's full of kids maybe it's just speedway kids who need to be in bed early It never stopped me. I'd go to West Ham speedway on Tuesday evening, kip in the car on the way home and always get up for school the following morning. That was the deal for me being taken to a midweek meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, mikebv said: It makes total sense to allow tracks to race on the night they feel will deliver their best crowds.. And for an entertainment business you would think Friday would deliver more punters than a Wednesday. (Especially the much needed families with young kids who hopefuly will become adult punters in later years).. Absolute crackers that they hold back the sports growth by preventing teams from riding on nights they want to because it means not enough guests will be available.... A ruling that destroys all the sport's credibility, and therefore reduces crowds significantly, and keeps major sponsors and mainstream media away, prevents tracks from riding on nights that they feel would increase the crowds that follow the sport.. An amazing plan... You are completely overlooking one fact - 6 teams using a Friday as their main race night DOES NOT mean that those teams will be able to race every Friday. If Oxford were to be accepted as a Friday track, they would be bottom of the pecking order when it comes to having priority over that day. That means that they would have to use their alternative race night 5 times, when racing the other teams using a Friday. At present, this equates to half of their home fixtures being raced on 'off' nights if a team is wanting to race every week, in addition to KOC, Play-Offs being raced on 'off' nights too. So your argument is flawed IMO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: I’m sure everyone must realise Rob Godfrey the head honcho at the BSPA. but he doesn’t make the decision by himself . As for the Tv money for the 6 clubs in the top league it’s those promoters who refused to split the pot with another club . As already stated 4 clubs ride on a Friday so guests are at a short supply .gone is the time when the worlds best riders rode in Britain they go to Poland for the big money which you can’t blame the riders as there career isn’t guaranteed to be a long one . Just hope all the negativity disappears and clubs at both levels can get more punters through the gate . Heres hoping 2022 is better for British Speedway I’m sure everyone must realise Rob Godfrey is the head honcho at the BSP Ltd they do, that is why they are bitter & twisted. but he doesn’t make the decision by himself unfortunately, they are thick & can not comprehend that concept. As for the Tv money for the 6 clubs in the top league it’s those promoters who refused to split the pot with another club. and Godfrey is not a promoter in the top league. Here's hoping 2022 is better for British Speedway True with better organisation on fixtures back to a season of racing between April & mid October, though, with having a blank week of racing every 4 or 5 weeks to be used as catch up for postponed meetings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Personally I don't subscribe to the kids with families bit . Whether it's midweek or not if your going your going always found it a weak excuse. You look at any midweek football crowd and it's full of kids maybe it's just speedway kids who need to be in bed early Maybe given Tuesdays and Wednesdays are such big football nights in the UK, Speedway should avoid them? Tuesday's are sorted given Sweden run, so maybe Wednesday could be avoided too? With no school next day, Fridays will always have that advantage over a weekday, but as you say, if people want their kids to go they will take them whatever the night... (And Poole seem to do ok on a Wednesday)... The reality is whatever night they run, unfortunatley there isnt enough adults going to ever have enough kids there to make any major difference to the sports future by encouraging them to become regulars.. I suppose the made up stuff we have today is the best we can expect.. Edited November 16, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, AndyPresley said: You are completely overlooking one fact - 6 teams using a Friday as their main race night DOES NOT mean that those teams will be able to race every Friday. If Oxford were to be accepted as a Friday track, they would be bottom of the pecking order when it comes to having priority over that day. That means that they would have to use their alternative race night 5 times, when racing the other teams using a Friday. At present, this equates to half of their home fixtures being raced on 'off' nights if a team is wanting to race every week, in addition to KOC, Play-Offs being raced on 'off' nights too. So your argument is flawed IMO Why would teams want to race every week? Do what Sweden and Poland do and race home one week and away the next.. You only have to see how crowds can get impacted at the end of a season when clubs cram in weekly 'home' Speedway to complete fixture lists.. With so few teams, and so many Fridays from Good Friday to November, surely all could run Fridays during that time? (If they wanted to)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPresley Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, mikebv said: Why would teams want to race every week? Do what Sweden and Poland do and race home one week and away the next.. You only have to see how crowds can get impacted at the end of a season when clubs cram in weekly 'home' Speedway to complete fixture lists.. With so few teams, and so many Fridays from Good Friday to November, surely all could run Fridays during that time? (If they wanted to)... I guess it depends on what the supporters want. As a long-term supporter, I’ve always preferred regular, weekly speedway and most of the people I speak to would mirror that. Having said that, you are correct. It would certainly be possible for ALL clubs to run on the same race if they wanted, in a league where teams raced at home fortnightly. However, this is not how British Speedway currently operates and does not plan to operate next year. So, given the above, it seems a sensible decision to limit the number of clubs racing on the same day in the current circumstances. It is certainly not ‘absolute crackers’ as you have quoted - it seems to me to be based upon a logical decision making process and not one intended to harm any individual club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, AndyPresley said: I guess it depends on what the supporters want. As a long-term supporter, I’ve always preferred regular, weekly speedway and most of the people I speak to would mirror that. Having said that, you are correct. It would certainly be possible for ALL clubs to run on the same race if they wanted, in a league where teams raced at home fortnightly. However, this is not how British Speedway currently operates and does not plan to operate next year. So, given the above, it seems a sensible decision to limit the number of clubs racing on the same day in the current circumstances. It is certainly not ‘absolute crackers’ as you have quoted - it seems to me to be based upon a logical decision making process and not one intended to harm any individual club. To add to this, Oxford have accepted it. They're not idiots, they clearly have faith a Wednesday will work for them anyway and have moved forward with it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) SET YOUR ALARMS The contract has been signed, the deal is in place. We will be confirming our 2022 Oxford Cheetahs captain tomorrow morning at 7am Any early predictions #OxfordSpeedway Scott Nicholls? Edited November 17, 2021 by lisa-colette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntdouble Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Lyndback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: SET YOUR ALARMS The contract has been signed, the deal is in place. We will be confirming our 2022 Oxford Cheetahs captain tomorrow morning at 7am Any early predictions #OxfordSpeedway Scott Nicholls? Nailed on I would think!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 4:11 PM, mikebv said: It makes total sense to allow tracks to race on the night they feel will deliver their best crowds.. And for an entertainment business you would think Friday would deliver more punters than a Wednesday. (Especially the much needed families with young kids who hopefuly will become adult punters in later years).. Absolute crackers that they hold back the sports growth by preventing teams from riding on nights they want to because it means not enough guests will be available.... A ruling that destroys all the sport's credibility, and therefore reduces crowds significantly, and keeps major sponsors and mainstream media away, prevents tracks from riding on nights that they feel would increase the crowds that follow the sport.. An amazing plan... I have just checked the official Speedway GB site. There were 26 Friday nights (between 7/5/21 and 29/10/21) There were championship meetings at the 4 Friday tracks on FIVE occasions (so 5 times in 26 the 4 Friday tracks raced a home championship meeting). Discounting October that will be 5 out of 21 times. 4th June there was 2 league and 2 cup matches. 9th July - 4 league meetings. 30th July - 2 cup matches with 2 meetings postponed. 20th Aug - 4 league meetings. 3rd Sept - 3 teams at home with Poole also. 10th Sept - 4 league meetings with 1 postponed. There were 7 weeks when there was 3 championship meetings at the above venues. There were 11 postponements through the season on these Friday nights. There was one week when there was no meetings. I would have thought a compromise could have been reached where Oxford can race on a Friday night but cannot race a Championship home meeting if the other 4 teams are racing at home (could race their junior team on these nights). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Well unless Lindback likes roast Dinners and would had been a brickie ....sounds like Nicholls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Stuntdouble said: Lyndback I can see why u spelt Lindback with a y coz I would av to ask you y? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Has Oxford got a air fence and a licence to run speedway yet and payed its bond 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, hans fan said: Has Oxford got a air fence and a licence to run speedway yet and payed its bond Wot sort of a question is that to ask? Hardly think they'd be confirmed into the Championship if it wasn't all in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, hans fan said: Has Oxford got a air fence and a licence to run speedway yet and payed its bond Rest assured Oxford will have AN air fence by the time it will be required and will also have PAID their bond plus all other requirements for a license to be issued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Scotty for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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