Jaizer Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Arson fire said: Do you not think for one minute these youngsters will be replaced by teams once more experienced riders drop averages or the team does on the whole?? The rising star status meant they were guaranteed to have a spot, thus only helping them develop etc. My gripe is, that every so often British speedway invent a place for rising stars to hold the sport up, then it is dropped the season after… why implement it (2 or 3 times now) and drop it the next year. Its all about costs and money!! Not the development of young riders. If you are going to have team places for rising stars in the first place, why then change it 6 months later? The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations. You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders Edited November 12, 2021 by Jaizer . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jaizer said: The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations. You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders Fair comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jaizer said: The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations. You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders That’s the BSPA for you,short term thinking with self interest thrown in.Most fans could see the rising star’s average was going to cause headaches the following season.Very shortsighted IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fromafar said: That’s the BSPA for you,short term thinking with self interest thrown in.Most fans could see the rising star’s average was going to cause headaches the following season.Very shortsighted IMO. How dare Leon and Jordan perform so damn well. It's an outrage . Personally think a 2 U23 Brits minimum should maybe have come in to replace it but the RS scheme was flawed from the start 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond geezer Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, proud panther said: Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support. Could the last rider be a certain Mr Worrall? Fits if the new lad is a 2.00… just announced today he isn’t going back to Edinburgh… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Diamond geezer said: Could the last rider be a certain Mr Worrall? Fits if the new lad is a 2.00… just announced today he isn’t going back to Edinburgh… Think the new lad is on a 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points! Archie turned down the offer to ride for the Diamonds to concentrate on development in the NDL. Someone pulled the Gems out of the NDJ, and fortunately another team had faith in him and he rode for the Edinburgh Devils this year with merit. Other riders were used as the Diamond no 7 and then dispensed with. At 16 and a year behind the likes of the Thompsons, Palin, Gilkes, he knew he needed that extra year to gain experience at the junior level . Archie was pressed by Newcastle management to help out at No 7 to replace JPB, and was given assurances that he would not be judged on this year, just get experience for next year. Next year has arrived and he has been overlooked. Rob should remember that when he joined the Diamonds we put him straight into the team along with other 3 pointers like Jamie Birkenshaw, Craig Branney and Jamie Robertson. Without those placements who is to say they would have made a career after that. No training school, no organised second halves, dropped the Gems whilst at the top of the league and possibly league winners, no junior meetings, and now this. We were told of commitment to local talent and their place at Newcastle, it all just seems like a conflict with every decision made. With the Gems being dropped, three of us were prepared to pay for and run the Gems at our expense for the year, but one was told NO I've made the decision and your sponsorship will be returned. Edited November 12, 2021 by Tsunami 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said: Think the new lad is on a 4 If he's a 4, would Kyle Newman fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, proud panther said: Can't believe any real Newcastle fans are unhappy with the team. A few weeks ago, the Diamonds were finished. If your last rider is a big hitter, it looks a decent team. Whoever the last rider is, it looks a better team than last year, & most importantly, you still have a speedway team to support. A better team it seems but will it attract the additional support through the gate to make Newcastle speedway sustainable in the future? Can be a extremely difficult decision to make when building a team, do you stick within budget and risk losing support or twist and av a big name, e.g a Crump or a Pedersen hoping to pull in the extra bums on seats. Having thought about it, which i occasionally do lol, guess it's better to walk before you can run given the circumstances. Edited November 12, 2021 by PirateShip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: If he's a 4, would Kyle Newman fit? In his kegs lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Jaizer said: The riders of sufficient quality aren't available to continue it this season. Most championship clubs already had a RS signed last season prior to the ruling. With flint, kemp, Hume, bailey, the Thompson's, Palin, Jenkins, bowtel all having ridden above the 3.5 average cut off for a 3* there was simply no way of keeping it place in that format. As usual the bspl had no thought of what would happen should these riders perform above expectations. You'd be looking at a championship where all reserves would only be able to take points off each other as not ready for the step up against established championship riders And to think there were supposed to be 2 rising stars in each team next season, the BSPA really are as thick as ...........!! Fancy a game of Blankety Blank?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points! Sorry I don't agree with the worst rider ( in the league statement ) the lad was called upon to ride for his local team & he done a good job ok he may not have got the points he deserved but what he did do was when In a scoring position he held the away riders up which allowed his team partner to get a free run for the win.. & I certainly think he could have scored an easy 2 point average at Newcastle if it wasn't for his couple of falls & mechanical engine failures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Archie turned down the offer to ride for the Diamonds to concentrate on development in the NDL. Someone pulled the Gems out of the NDJ, and fortunately another team had faith in him and he rode for the Edinburgh Devils this year with merit. Other riders were used as the Diamond no 7 and then dispensed with. At 16 and a year behind the likes of the Thompsons, Palin, Gilkes, he knew he needed that extra year to gain experience at the junior level . Archie was pressed by Newcastle management to help out at No 7 to replace JPB, and was given assurances that he would not be judged on this year, just get experience for next year. Next year has arrived and he has been overlooked. Rob should remember that when he joined the Diamonds we put him straight into the team along with other 3 pointers like Jamie Birkenshaw, Craig Branney and Jamie Robertson. Without those placements who is to say they would have made a career after that. No training school, no organised second halves, dropped the Gems whilst at the top of the league and possibly league winners, no junior meetings, and now this. We were told of commitment to local talent and their place at Newcastle, it all just seems like a conflict with every decision made. With the Gems being dropped, three of us were prepared to pay for and run the Gems at our expense for the year, but one was told NO I've made the decision and your sponsorship will be returned. 1) what need was there to "press" Archie into the team, there must've been at least 20+ riders who could've replaced JPB at number 7? 2) why wouldn't Rob Grant let someone else take over the Gems if they were going to pay for it? Makes no sense! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: Sorry I don't agree with the worst rider ( in the league statement ) the lad was called upon to ride for his local team & he done a good job ok he may not have got the points he deserved but what he did do was when In a scoring position he held the away riders up which allowed his team partner to get a free run for the win.. & I certainly think he could have scored an easy 2 point average at Newcastle if it wasn't for his couple of falls & mechanical engine failures Not trying to be nasty, just honest! Freeman had 12 matches, 35 rides & scored only 3 points, each of those was in front of a non-finisher! I'm guessing he was signed because it would be cheap & the team was already weak! For him free / paid practice (providing his confidence wasn't destroyed)! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: In fairness Alcock was the worst rider in the league, Freeman just got dumped in to replace him as you pointed out far before he was ready. Thers certainly an argument that riders should achieve a certain level in the NDL before they can take up a CL place. While it's not a bad suggestion for riders to achieve a certain NDL ave before being allowed in the Champ, there's riders like Dan Bewley & Connor Bailey who coped with being thrust into the middle tier to start with! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: 1) what need was there to "press" Archie into the team, there must've been at least 20+ riders who could've replaced JPB at number 7? 2) why wouldn't Rob Grant let someone else take over the Gems if they were going to pay for it? Makes no sense! I'm not the 1 to ask on that & I guess if robs at the function Tonight & you could ask him if your going ya sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: I'm not the 1 to ask on that & I guess if robs at the function Tonight & you could ask him if your going ya sell Don't forget it's a cashless venue tonight, so don't be rocking up saying yiv forgot ya bank card. Not that owld chestnut. Edited November 12, 2021 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: Sorry I don't agree with the worst rider ( in the league statement ) the lad was called upon to ride for his local team & he done a good job ok he may not have got the points he deserved but what he did do was when In a scoring position he held the away riders up which allowed his team partner to get a free run for the win.. & I certainly think he could have scored an easy 2 point average at Newcastle if it wasn't for his couple of falls & mechanical engine failures He was though… its not his fault but quite simply he wasn't ready for the Championship he's not even a second string standard NL rider yet. Now hopefully he goes on and has a great career but it was at best irresponsible of Newcastle to put him into the team last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Don't forget it's a cashless venue tonight, so don't be rocking up saying yiv forgot ya bank card. Not that owld chestnut. I've got a carrier bag of Shillings & pennies at your request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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