Diamonds85 Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Last I saw Lee, he'd put A LOT of muscle on... Hope he can recreate his flying around the boards with all that extra weight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardey Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Given the fact we are lucky to have speedway, I think the Promotion have done a great job putting this team together. I would have been delighted to see Complin back in speedway full stop as his fantastic ability and massive kahoonas during a race was there to see on the track. But even more delighted it’s with a Diamonds race jacket. A team of racers and entertainers indeed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Blast from the past! Best of luck on his return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 11 hours ago, BassoontheGasso said: Because it's funny. Rob may as well nip down to the local Tesco's and ask the cashier if he or she fancies being the No.8 Just pleased we have a team to go and watch every Sunday, Hopefully turn a few top teams over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 I just hope that Complin doesn't have a load of money thrown at him for new kit etc then packs up after a few weeks because the comeback hasn't been as good as in his head when more deserving riders could benefit from that level of sponsorship. Touch of the Bridgers comes to mind but as ever i hope to be proven wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I just hope that Complin doesn't have a load of money thrown at him for new kit etc then packs up after a few weeks because the comeback hasn't been as good as in his head when more deserving riders could benefit from that level of sponsorship. Touch of the Bridgers comes to mind but as ever i hope to be proven wrong. I think tarnishing Lee Complin with the same brush as Lewis Bridger is a bit harsh. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, StevePark said: I think tarnishing Lee Complin with the same brush as Lewis Bridger is a bit harsh. Quite possibly but i still see the comparison closer than to James Wright which the promotion are trying to make. James after all rode competitive grasstrack in the gap years, stayed lean and honest about his aspirations. Id love to see Lee back to what he was capable of in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Quite possibly but i still see the comparison closer than to James Wright which the promotion are trying to make. James after all rode competitive grasstrack in the gap years, stayed lean and honest about his aspirations. Id love to see Lee back to what he was capable of in his prime. Big gamble as I was told about lee being linked at the beginning of November down at Scunthorpe after he's bought a couple of SWR tuned bikes so there won't be nothing wrong with the bikes performance wise so if he can set the stall out quickly & get race fit he should easily maintain the 6 point average Edited December 21, 2021 by Justgotmecpc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Justgotmecpc said: Big gamble as I was told about lee being linked at the beginning of November down at Scunthorpe after he's bought a couple of SWR tuned bikes so there won't be nothing wrong with the bikes performance wise so if he can set the stall out quickly & get race fit he should easily maintain the 6 point average Equipment sounds like its up to task if its maintained ok but a 6 point average is huge considering Wright returned on a 4.00. If Complin can do what Wright achieved last season i would consider that a mega comeback but maintaining a 6 feels like dreamland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 I don't like to say it BUT this is a very weak looking team & I can see by mid May BWD will loose interest leaving only Starke as anywhere near heatleader status. I'm sure there is a budget to work to & that will provide its own limitations but I hope the promotion won't take it out on the fans when they don't come through the gates to see their team suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Equipment sounds like its up to task if its maintained ok but a 6 point average is huge considering Wright returned on a 4.00. If Complin can do what Wright achieved last season i would consider that a mega comeback but maintaining a 6 feels like dreamland. 10 years retired is a long time, look at Crump last season. Would love to be proved wrong, but can't see how that is a good signing with over 6 points left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Equipment sounds like its up to task if its maintained ok but a 6 point average is huge considering Wright returned on a 4.00. If Complin can do what Wright achieved last season i would consider that a mega comeback but maintaining a 6 feels like dreamland. Have to agree,in his prime he was only averaging just over 7.Wish him all the best though he is a100% effort and a good guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, proud panther said: 10 years retired is a long time, look at Crump last season. Would love to be proved wrong, but can't see how that is a good signing with over 6 points left. Plus Crump was truly World Class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Plus Crump was truly World Class. Exactly, getting to the required fitness levels is a massive challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) On 12/16/2021 at 9:31 PM, Wardey said: No mention of riders as assets on the official liquidation paperwork. From memory it was a tractor and some cash in the bank Riders are only an asset to a viable business and are only a paper value with no extraneous value so when the business goes the (Person) asset goes as well: My pals son played for a Scottish football team which went pop a few years back; he was worth £125k to £150K on paper and whilst the club were in Administration the Administrator tried to sell him for £25k to realise some cash to try and keep the place afloat; however no-one came in for him at that time knowing when the club went pop they would be able to obtain the boy for a lot less than even the £25k... how this scenario worked out was if any club had bought him he would have been entitled to a 5% signing on fee so £7.5k on the £150k valuation; and at £25k that dropped to £1,250 quid so he didn't really want to move either to be fair; so when the club went bust the Liquidators looked to strip the assets of the club; however People; Players; Employee's are not tangible assets of an entity or business so they move on and my pal's son did just that and got a £10k signing on fee off his new club; he got more cash than he would of even if sold at £150k and the purchasing club got him £16,250 quid cheaper than they would have done if they had bought him off the Administrator for £25k... Furthermore since "The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833" people are not allowed to own people its as simple as that; it gives a false impression that because riders (Players in Football) are assets of a club and the club owns their contracts that there is a value in them; however as stated that value is only there whilst the club are trading and should that business stop trading there is no value whatsoever in those assets to the folded business.. very simple analogy however I hope it explains why there were no riders listed as assets by the liquidator... On 12/18/2021 at 4:23 PM, Tsunami said: No mention of the air fence in the assets list ? The air fence is slightly different as it is a Tangible Asset however it is also what is known as a Depreciating Asset and as such represents how much of an asset's value has been used. Depreciating assets help companies earn revenue from an asset while potentially expensing a portion of its cost each year the asset is in use and it allows for a portion of the cost to be written off against tax. Depreciation is what happens when assets lose value over time until the value of the asset becomes zero, or negligible. Depreciation can happen to virtually any fixed asset, including office equipment, computers, machinery, buildings, and so on hence why the tractor and machinery were mentioned in the liquidators report as they had some value. Depreciation is intended to roughly reflect the actual consumption of the underlying asset, so that the carrying amount of the asset has been reduced to its salvage value by the time its useful life is over and you can sell a depreciated asset, however any profit relative to the item's depreciated price is a capital gain. ... So if you have wrote the item down against a tax liability over a period for example, to write down the cost of the Tractor to nothing and then you sold it for £1200, the entire selling price would be a taxable gain. So every asset has a useful life, which is an accounting estimate of how long that asset will last. ... This continues until the asset is fully depreciated. Assets get depreciated down to zero or to their salvage value, which is what the company thinks it could get for the asset at the end of its useful life and unless you had a trade in making Elephant condoms I am not sure what you would do with an Air Fence after 10 or so years. Although the amount of times that one has been punctured at Brough I am not sure Elephant condoms would be the best use for it. One simple example is that we have just bought a New VW Transporter for the business at circa £25k and our accountant writes these vehicles down by £5k each year so by year 5 with around 150k miles on the clock these vans are rated as being worthless to the business and if a liquidator came in tomorrow he would spend a couple of hours marketing the van and selling it for say £18 or £20k however if we went pop 5 years from now that van would be scrapped with a 2 minute phone call for £100 pounds as why would a liquidator whose fees are anything from £200 to £2000 pound per hour spend any more than a 20p phone call to get rid of it. So long response to a simple question; however an air fence which cost about £20k around 7 or 8 years back will have been well and truly written off by now and if the club had of went down the pan the liquidator would probably say to anyone who wanted it to take it to save him the cost of disposing of it. On 12/18/2021 at 9:25 PM, Wee Eck said: What is also interesting is that, although much was made of a VAT liability, and the statement of affairs makes reference to a debt to HMRC of £158,048 it says that no claims were received for that amount which remained part of the statement of affairs at the final part of the winding up. Does that mean that much of the commentary made about the “mess” left by the previous promotion didn’t exist? Wey hey Wee Nonce Troll McTrollface is back and doesn't understand what he has read and what the Eck he is on about as usual... lets just say if leaving the club with "a debt to HMRC of £158,048" which has been made reference too by the liquidator doesn't show the “mess” left by the previous promotion and that this debt does still exist? and if the collapsing of the old business by the new one doesn't also show that the “mess” left by the previous promotion existed I don't know what more information you require? you need to crawl back under that rock Biffa... Elephant Condom for @Wee Eck to stick his massive tool of a head in please... Regards THJ Edited December 21, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Riders are only an asset to a viable business and are only a paper value with no extraneous value so when the business goes the (Person) asset goes as well: My pals son played for a Scottish football team which went pop a few years back; he was worth £125k to £150K on paper and whilst the club were in Administration the Administrator tried to sell him for £25k to realise some cash to try and keep the place afloat; however no-one came in for him at that time knowing when the club went pop they would be able to obtain the boy for a lot less than even the £25k... how this scenario worked out was if any club had bought him he would have been entitled to a 5% signing on fee so £7.5k on the £150k valuation; and at £25k that dropped to £1,250 quid so he didn't really want to move either to be fair; so when the club went bust the Liquidators looked to strip the assets of the club; however People; Players; Employee's are not tangible assets of an entity or business so they move on and my pal's son did just that and got a £10k signing on fee off his new club; he got more cash than he would of even if sold at £150k and the purchasing club got him £16,250 quid cheaper than they would have done if they had bought him off the Administrator for £25k... Furthermore since "The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833" people are not allowed to own people its as simple as that; it gives a false impression that because riders (Players in Football) are assets of a club and the club owns their contracts that there is a value in them; however as stated that value is only there whilst the club are trading and should that business stop trading there is no value whatsoever in those assets to the folded business.. very simple analogy however I hope it explains why there were no riders listed as assets by the liquidator... The air fence is slightly different as it is a Tangible Asset however it is also what is known as a Depreciating Asset and as such represents how much of an asset's value has been used. Depreciating assets help companies earn revenue from an asset while potentially expensing a portion of its cost each year the asset is in use and it allows for a portion of the cost to be written off against tax. Depreciation is what happens when assets lose value over time until the value of the asset becomes zero, or negligible. Depreciation can happen to virtually any fixed asset, including office equipment, computers, machinery, buildings, and so on hence why the tractor and machinery were mentioned in the liquidators report as they had some value. Depreciation is intended to roughly reflect the actual consumption of the underlying asset, so that the carrying amount of the asset has been reduced to its salvage value by the time its useful life is over and you can sell a depreciated asset, however any profit relative to the item's depreciated price is a capital gain. ... So if you have wrote the item down against a tax liability over a period for example, to write down the cost of the Tractor to nothing and then you sold it for £1200, the entire selling price would be a taxable gain. So every asset has a useful life, which is an accounting estimate of how long that asset will last. ... This continues until the asset is fully depreciated. Assets get depreciated down to zero or to their salvage value, which is what the company thinks it could get for the asset at the end of its useful life and unless you had a trade in making Elephant condoms I am not sure what you would do with an Air Fence after 10 or so years. Although the amount of times that one has been punctured at Brough I am not sure Elephant condoms would be the best use for it. One simple example is that we have just bought a New VW Transporter for the business at circa £25k and our accountant writes these vehicles down by £5k each year so by year 5 with around 150k miles on the clock these vans are rated as being worthless to the business and if a liquidator came in tomorrow he would spend a couple of hours marketing the van and selling it for say £18 or £20k however if we went pop 5 years from now that van would be scrapped with a 2 minute phone call for £100 pounds as why would a liquidator whose fees are anything from £200 to £2000 pound per hour spend any more than a 20p phone call to get rid of it. So long response to a simple question; however an air fence which cost about £20k around 7 or 8 years back will have been well and truly written off by now and if the club had of went down the pan the liquidator would probably say to anyone who wanted it to take it to save him the cost of disposing of it. Wey hey Wee Nonce Troll McTrollface is back and doesn't understand what he has read and what the Eck he is on about as usual... lets just say if leaving the club with "a debt to HMRC of £158,048" which has been made reference too by the liquidator doesn't show the “mess” left by the previous promotion and that this debt does still exist? and if the collapsing of the old business by the new one doesn't also show that the “mess” left by the previous promotion existed I don't know what more information you require? you need to crawl back under that rock Biffa... Elephant Condom for @Wee Eck to stick his massive tool of a head in please... Regards THJ Aye, basically that's what a meant,,, well about the first 2 episodes anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Riders are only an asset to a viable business and are only a paper value with no extraneous value so when the business goes the (Person) asset goes as well: My pals son played for a Scottish football team which went pop a few years back; he was worth £125k to £150K on paper and whilst the club were in Administration the Administrator tried to sell him for £25k to realise some cash to try and keep the place afloat; however no-one came in for him at that time knowing when the club went pop they would be able to obtain the boy for a lot less than even the £25k... how this scenario worked out was if any club had bought him he would have been entitled to a 5% signing on fee so £7.5k on the £150k valuation; and at £25k that dropped to £1,250 quid so he didn't really want to move either to be fair; so when the club went bust the Liquidators looked to strip the assets of the club; however People; Players; Employee's are not tangible assets of an entity or business so they move on and my pal's son did just that and got a £10k signing on fee off his new club; he got more cash than he would of even if sold at £150k and the purchasing club got him £16,250 quid cheaper than they would have done if they had bought him off the Administrator for £25k... Furthermore since "The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833" people are not allowed to own people its as simple as that; it gives a false impression that because riders (Players in Football) are assets of a club and the club owns their contracts that there is a value in them; however as stated that value is only there whilst the club are trading and should that business stop trading there is no value whatsoever in those assets to the folded business.. very simple analogy however I hope it explains why there were no riders listed as assets by the liquidator... The air fence is slightly different as it is a Tangible Asset however it is also what is known as a Depreciating Asset and as such represents how much of an asset's value has been used. Depreciating assets help companies earn revenue from an asset while potentially expensing a portion of its cost each year the asset is in use and it allows for a portion of the cost to be written off against tax. Depreciation is what happens when assets lose value over time until the value of the asset becomes zero, or negligible. Depreciation can happen to virtually any fixed asset, including office equipment, computers, machinery, buildings, and so on hence why the tractor and machinery were mentioned in the liquidators report as they had some value. Depreciation is intended to roughly reflect the actual consumption of the underlying asset, so that the carrying amount of the asset has been reduced to its salvage value by the time its useful life is over and you can sell a depreciated asset, however any profit relative to the item's depreciated price is a capital gain. ... So if you have wrote the item down against a tax liability over a period for example, to write down the cost of the Tractor to nothing and then you sold it for £1200, the entire selling price would be a taxable gain. So every asset has a useful life, which is an accounting estimate of how long that asset will last. ... This continues until the asset is fully depreciated. Assets get depreciated down to zero or to their salvage value, which is what the company thinks it could get for the asset at the end of its useful life and unless you had a trade in making Elephant condoms I am not sure what you would do with an Air Fence after 10 or so years. Although the amount of times that one has been punctured at Brough I am not sure Elephant condoms would be the best use for it. One simple example is that we have just bought a New VW Transporter for the business at circa £25k and our accountant writes these vehicles down by £5k each year so by year 5 with around 150k miles on the clock these vans are rated as being worthless to the business and if a liquidator came in tomorrow he would spend a couple of hours marketing the van and selling it for say £18 or £20k however if we went pop 5 years from now that van would be scrapped with a 2 minute phone call for £100 pounds as why would a liquidator whose fees are anything from £200 to £2000 pound per hour spend any more than a 20p phone call to get rid of it. So long response to a simple question; however an air fence which cost about £20k around 7 or 8 years back will have been well and truly written off by now and if the club had of went down the pan the liquidator would probably say to anyone who wanted it to take it to save him the cost of disposing of it. Wey hey Wee Nonce Troll McTrollface is back and doesn't understand what he has read and what the Eck he is on about as usual... lets just say if leaving the club with "a debt to HMRC of £158,048" which has been made reference too by the liquidator doesn't show the “mess” left by the previous promotion and that this debt does still exist? and if the collapsing of the old business by the new one doesn't also show that the “mess” left by the previous promotion existed I don't know what more information you require? you need to crawl back under that rock Biffa... Elephant Condom for @Wee Eck to stick his massive tool of a head in please... Regards THJ I don’t usually waste my time but, as it is Christmas: Mr Courtney, it is my opinion, shared by many I know, that you are the biggest waste of space that walks the earth. Your negativity is only exceeded by your ignorance and Newcastle speedway is far better off since you were given the bum’s rush by its owner. 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ruffdiamond Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Diamondboy said: Enjoying this popcorn. You must get thru some popcorn in your hoos? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: You must get thru some popcorn in your hoos? 1 hour ago, Diamondboy said: Enjoying this popcorn. Don't forget the hog roast or hot dogs off Robs catering van.. top quality scran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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