NEWCASTLE DIAMONDS 2022

[szkocjasid]

47 minutes ago, MrP said:

The team is what it is. There seems to be a lot of negativity already which in my opinion is astonishing considering what nearly happened.

Signing riders at Newcastle has never been easy with us being a Sunday track. However add Brexit into the mix along with Poland dictating things and I presume it got a whole lot harder.

Maybe the Worralls,Howarths etc we’re approached and either turned us down or politely told us they were going elsewhere.

Maybe Some of them told us they’d ride for us but can’t as hoping to race in Poland.

Nobody knows apart from the Promotion.

At the end of the day nobody gave Peterborough a hope in hell last year and looked what happened. 
 

Maybe the majority didn't rate Peterborough, but I certainly did, so you can't say "nobody" gave them a chance!

As for Newcastle, I don't think the team looks strong, but if I was a Newcastle fan I'd just be happy to still have Speedway!

[szkocjasid]

How about NBJ to complete the team?

Newcastle 2022?
Bradley W-Dean	8.21
Nikolaj B Jakobsen	6.34
Matthew Wethers	6.47
Paul Starke	6.47
Max Clegg	5.27
James Wright	5.07
George Congreve	4.00
Total	41.83

[Chewbacca]

Realism rather than negativity from me. It is a better team than last year but unlikely to be at the sharp end of the table.  I will still be there whenever I can and will continue to be a sponsor and enjoy my speedway racing.

[ruffdiamond]

18 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

How about NBJ to complete the team?

Newcastle 2022?
Bradley W-Dean	8.21
Nikolaj B Jakobsen	6.34
Matthew Wethers	6.47
Paul Starke	6.47
Max Clegg	5.27
James Wright	5.07
George Congreve	4.00
Total	41.83

Yeah, I would like to see that happen, exiting rider to watch at Brough. 

[Arson fire]

So British speedway has shafted the young kids yet again, bring the rising star idea in for a season and disguise it as aiding their progression and give opportunity, but in reality its to cut costs and aid with rider availability…. Then drop them/it again the next season.They couldn't run a bath!! It stinks to the high heavens. For Decades these kids ( apart from a select few)have been used and abused by the very folk who are supposed to be running the sport. Disgraceful imo.

[enotian]

Feb 6th 2021 New Zealand Solo Championship

 

[Justgotmecpc]

1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

Are you already seeing double? 

You trying to say I'm older than you even tho you look older than most of the OSP'S at the speedway lol

[Justgotmecpc]

19 minutes ago, Arson fire said:

So British speedway has shafted the young kids yet again, bring the rising star idea in for a season and disguise it as aiding their progression and give opportunity, but in reality its to cut costs and aid with rider availability…. Then drop them/it again the next season.They couldn't run a bath!! It stinks to the high heavens. For Decades these kids ( apart from a select few)have been used and abused by the very folk who are supposed to be running the sport. Disgraceful imo.

Totally agree

[Justgotmecpc]

31 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Yeah, I would like to see that happen, exiting rider to watch at Brough. 

What about your idle who's from Sweden & used to stay in Whitley bay

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

42 minutes ago, Arson fire said:

So British speedway has shafted the young kids yet again, bring the rising star idea in for a season and disguise it as aiding their progression and give opportunity, but in reality its to cut costs and aid with rider availability…. Then drop them/it again the next season.They couldn't run a bath!! It stinks to the high heavens. For Decades these kids ( apart from a select few)have been used and abused by the very folk who are supposed to be running the sport. Disgraceful imo.

What about Newcastle who’s signed a young new Zealander instead of a young brit at reserve, i’m sure virtually all of the other teams will still be having young brits in their team, berwick and plymouth have signed 2 each, redcar have signed jenkins again, i’m sure leicester will have their twins back, as well as palin at scunthorpe, bailey at glasgow, there’s plenty young brits on 4 or below, your clubs just chose to use a foreigner instead, don’t blame British speedway for that

[Arson fire]

4 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

What about Newcastle who’s signed a young new Zealander instead of a young brit at reserve, i’m sure virtually all of the other teams will still be having young brits in their team, berwick and plymouth have signed 2 each, redcar have signed jenkins again, i’m sure leicester will have their twins back, as well as palin at scunthorpe, bailey at glasgow, there’s plenty young brits on 4 or below, your clubs just chose to use a foreigner instead, don’t blame British speedway for that

Of course i blame British speedway, because they removed the stipulation to have them.. had they not, Newcastle would have had too.

my post was more about how young kids are used every other year by the collective promoters/rules to cut costs and then left to hope they get a spot.

Either they use them or not, for the right reasons…but stop pi55ing them about and making them the fall guys to prop the sport up when it suits.

[Sings4Speedway]

I know little about Congreve so he could be the real deal and a real bargain but the overseas unknown riders who come in on a visa recieve a hefty amount of help from clubs and far more than many young brits in the same boat. Id wager that several UK emerging stars would have stronger seasons if they knew that accommodation,  food and basic living costs were being covered. 

[lbw]

Newcastle are putting together a team within budget so they can continue racing which is great but on the flip side u still need to attract more people thru the gate to make the business sustainable into the future.

On paper sadly I don't see the team attracting more people thru the gate well not people who know about speedway.

The other way of course is to do plenty of marketing and sell the sport to those that are new to it.

Anyways not ere to give a lecture coz it's all common sense stuff. 

[ruffdiamond]

8 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said:

What about your idle who's from Sweden & used to stay in Whitley bay

Ya just being silly now. 

[ruffdiamond]

8 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said:

You trying to say I'm older than you even tho you look older than most of the OSP'S at the speedway lol

A had a hard milk round before a went to school you know,,, but a have been looking into early retirement. 

[szkocjasid]

10 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

What about Newcastle who’s signed a young new Zealander instead of a young brit at reserve, i’m sure virtually all of the other teams will still be having young brits in their team, berwick and plymouth have signed 2 each, redcar have signed jenkins again, i’m sure leicester will have their twins back, as well as palin at scunthorpe, bailey at glasgow, there’s plenty young brits on 4 or below, your clubs just chose to use a foreigner instead, don’t blame British speedway for that

The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points!

Edited November 12, 2021 by szkocjasid

[Fortythirtyeight]

10 hours ago, Arson fire said:

Of course i blame British speedway, because they removed the stipulation to have them.. had they not, Newcastle would have had too.

my post was more about how young kids are used every other year by the collective promoters/rules to cut costs and then left to hope they get a spot.

Either they use them or not, for the right reasons…but stop pi55ing them about and making them the fall guys to prop the sport up when it suits.

But Newcastle have made the decision to drop Archie, a local prospect who the club threw in the deep end and said there would be no pressure on him , and said this would be a good move for the future of Newcastle and now they drop him and bring in another untried but non UK youngster , and that’s British Speedways fault ???

No, that is the Newcastle promoters decision nothing to do with the rest of speedway.

[Sings4Speedway]

11 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

The big difference is those young Brits scored points for their teams last year, no offence to Freeman but he was the worst rider in the league! Not blaming him - he was put into the Champ before he had mastered the NDL so couldn't be expected to score points!

In fairness Alcock was the worst rider in the league, Freeman just got dumped in to replace him as you pointed out far before he was ready. Thers certainly an argument that riders should achieve a certain level in the NDL before they can take up a CL place.

[Arson fire]

4 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

But Newcastle have made the decision to drop Archie, a local prospect who the club threw in the deep end and said there would be no pressure on him , and said this would be a good move for the future of Newcastle and now they drop him and bring in another untried but non UK youngster , and that’s British Speedways fault ???

No, that is the Newcastle promoters decision nothing to do with the rest of speedway.

Do you not think for one minute these youngsters will be replaced by teams once more experienced riders drop averages or the team does on the whole?? The rising star  status meant they were guaranteed to have a spot, thus only helping them develop etc.

My gripe is, that every so often British speedway invent a place for rising stars to hold the sport up, then it is dropped the season after… why implement it (2 or 3 times now) and drop it the next year. Its all about costs and money!! Not the development of young riders. If you are going to have team places for rising stars in the first place, why then change it 6 months later?

 

[Arson fire]

9 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

In fairness Alcock was the worst rider in the league, Freeman just got dumped in to replace him as you pointed out far before he was ready. Thers certainly an argument that riders should achieve a certain level in the NDL before they can take up a CL place.

Agree with this. Chatting to Rob Lyon several years ago about the structure of British speedway being ar5e over t!t, he was concerned then but they wouldn't listen.

Either use and accommodate them going forward as a rule, or dont…but stop mucking them about. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Arson fire