old bob at herne bay Posted October 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1 valve said: Surely this topic should be in the news & discussion section so all the speculation can be aired until the decision of where Oxford will ride is made/known. Meanwhile has it been made public who the promoter will be? I disagree "1 valve" we have the speculative threads of Poole and Swindon both in the Premeirship section .... and it is no secret the the PL are looking to increase numbers of teams, whilst the CL are not. Jason Doyle would be a key figurehead signing - bringing a number of ex Swindon fans along to Cowley ? Hans Nielsen as TM ? Edited October 27, 2021 by old bob at herne bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I remember listening to an interview months ago, on the radio. The chap said that Greyhounds Etc would return and that the Speedway would be run if it was viable, i think that he said that they would start in the National League, to gauge spectator numbers etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 6 hours ago, racers and royals said: Obviously Reading never had a team so there won`t be any fans from there going Oxford and Reading rarely had the same level of support as Swindon. Bristol had massive crowds. Coventry well supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 hours ago, arnieg said: If I was an Oxford fan I'd be hoping it is not true. I'd want a viable operation that stands a decent chance of long term sucess and I fear that running in the PL would not provide that. The most sensible post on this forum for a long time . What is scary is people think they will get big crowds because fans from Swindon , Reading , Cov will go . that never happens in great numbers and never will . Every one who has try to run speedway at Oxford money since 2000 has lost money and broke 3 of them hence why it closed down . As arnieg said find a level that allows them to run for season after season . Talk of top league etc is insane 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Difference is this time the owner is in charge and will employ a promoter looks like Courtney to run the speedway operations. So if run by the owner no rent to pay in reality, would earn from bar/food takings etc. They have a good basis to build from but I'm pretty sure they will run in the prem on a Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Difference is this time the owner is in charge and will employ a promoter looks like Courtney to run the speedway operations. So if run by the owner no rent to pay in reality, would earn from bar/food takings etc. They have a good basis to build from but I'm pretty sure they will run in the prem on a Friday No rent would be doubtful but the landlords would take the takings at food and bar venues 100% If the landlord ran the speedway as a stand up company which I'm sure they would, it would run on income streams of ticket money and sponsorship only at a guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: I disagree "1 valve" we have the speculative threads of Poole and Swindon both in the Premeirship section Swindon (last seen in the Prem) thread is from 2020. Poole thread (also in Championship section for 2022) should not be in the Premiership section - like Oxford shouldn’t be in it until known for sure. A case of two wrongs not making a right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I can't think of a single reason why Oxford should start in the premier league. Potential to be a financial.disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 23 hours ago, racers and royals said: Obviously Reading never had a team so there won`t be any fans from there going Perhaps you weren't "nuts" like us Coventry fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 18 hours ago, auntie doris said: Oxford and Reading rarely had the same level of support as Swindon. Bristol had massive crowds. Coventry well supported. Reading got excellent crowds at Tilehurst and the first few seasons at Smallmead. Oxford on the other hand had decent crowds in the Nielsen/Wigg era, but a succession of different promoters struggled there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 I always enjoyed going to Oxford. I hope they are in the same league as Poole, as don't really have anyone that close atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/27/2021 at 4:27 PM, orion said: The most sensible post on this forum for a long time . What is scary is people think they will get big crowds because fans from Swindon , Reading , Cov will go . that never happens in great numbers and never will . Every one who has try to run speedway at Oxford money since 2000 has lost money and broke 3 of them hence why it closed down . As arnieg said find a level that allows them to run for season after season . Talk of top league etc is insane To put things in perspective, during Oxford’s last season in the premier league, their home match against Swindon had an attendance of around 500. 200 of them were from Swindon. There was simply no appetite for Speedway at Crowley. The new promoter must ask him/her self, ‘ What has changed?’ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Be lunacy to jump into the highest league. Sustain not skint should be the mantra . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, cityrebel said: Reading got excellent crowds at Tilehurst and the first few seasons at Smallmead. Oxford on the other hand had decent crowds in the Nielsen/Wigg era, but a succession of different promoters struggled there. City you are right Reading got half decent gates in the 80s I went regular and Oxford with Hans/ Wigg, Cox , Dugard ( ect ) were reasonably supported.To comeback in a crap version of our British league would be madness now though they should tread carefully. Edited October 29, 2021 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 The carrot that attracts teams to the Premiership is the T.V. money. That's one positive V the many negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ghosty said: The carrot that attracts teams to the Premiership is the T.V. money. That's one positive V the many negatives. Is there is any “TV Money” actually paid directly to the clubs these days? The big money disappeared when Sky moved on after which, the benefit has been diluted down mainly to “TV exposure”. Better than nothing but not something big enough to attract new clubs to the Premiership? Edited October 29, 2021 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Is there is any “TV Money” actually paid directly to the clubs these days? The big money disappeared when Sky moved on after which, the benefit has been diluted down mainly to “TV exposure”. Better than nothing but not something big enough to attract new clubs to the Premiership? The last ‘TV’deal was only a fraction of the SKY funds and even when SKY paid up then Premiership clubs took the majority stake leaving only a few grand for the championship clubs . No club should be relying on payouts to help them run these days . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 21 hours ago, EnglishRoundabout said: To put things in perspective, during Oxford’s last season in the premier league, their home match against Swindon had an attendance of around 500. 200 of them were from Swindon. There was simply no appetite for Speedway at Crowley. The new promoter must ask him/her self, ‘ What has changed?’ To be fair, crowds were getting gradually smaller for the past few seasons. That particular year, the promoter alienated virtually everybody there to the extent that seasoned regulars stopped going, hence impossible to continue. Have to run on Fridays, make sure you can run at a sustainable level and go from there. Anything else would be madness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 Also comes down to the ego of the landlord also does he want his track in the top flight on TV? Could be suicidal of course I still think Friday night championship racing will be the outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 The new Oxford Stadium owner (The greyhound chap) clearly stated in his interviews, press release and Oxford Mail article when he took over that 'Friday night would again become Speedway night'! OK that was probably before he fully appreciated all the 'politics' of British Speedway such as the race night 'pecking order' amongst other things!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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