Bald Bloke Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Ford is asking for help, but owns this..Is that right ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: What do you personally think he's asked for regarding the council's full support? To give the landlord a slap around the head with their stupid demands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: What do you personally think he's asked for regarding the council's full support? Stadia UK have an agreement with the council that is due to last another 17 years, based on them running 2 sports out the stadium which they no longer do. The are pushing for a very large increase in rent with no extra service supply. Bottom line, the council own the stadium and it is sub contracted to stadia UK, if they are being un-reasonable the club are well in their right to take this up with the land owner and get their support! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) part owns i believe,dont forget properties like that are only a fraction of the cost they would be in uk (response to baldys post) Edited December 22, 2021 by poole keith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: What do you personally think he's asked for regarding the council's full support? They own the site, so must carry some weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: What do you personally think he's asked for regarding the council's full support? The Forum has supplied plenty of comment/rumour on this subject going back to earlier this year. We had that the leaseholder wanted to double the rent for 2022. Maybe true - Maybe not We had that they preferred to keep it as one massive parking lot as they made more from car parking than they did from speedway. We had the fact that the long term leaseholder (and also Greyhound Racing operator), stopped the Greyhound racing and wanted to see it stay closed and then redeveloped for Housing & Commercial development giving a much bigger return. Saw similar comments that the Council would prefer similar but there was all this talk that a local ruling said it had to be kept partly for Speedway/Sport and with all the plans put forward no way could you have both with the layout. That would in effect or kill speedway there. So there have been plenty of rumours on what the lease holder and or council actually want. Whatever it is maybe true or false, lets hope the Fords can et Poole Speedway some kind of future even if only short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Ford is asking for help, but owns this..Is that right ????? Not asking for financial help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: The Forum has supplied plenty of comment/rumour on this subject going back to earlier this year. We had that the leaseholder wanted to double the rent for 2022. Maybe true - Maybe not We had that they preferred to keep it as one massive parking lot as they made more from car parking than they did from speedway. We had the fact that the long term leaseholder (and also Greyhound Racing operator), stopped the Greyhound racing and wanted to see it stay closed and then redeveloped for Housing & Commercial development giving a much bigger return. Saw similar comments that the Council would prefer similar but there was all this talk that a local ruling said it had to be kept partly for Speedway/Sport and with all the plans put forward no way could you have both with the layout. That would in effect or kill speedway there. So there have been plenty of rumours on what the lease holder and or council actually want. Whatever it is maybe true or false, lets hope the Fords can et Poole Speedway some kind of future even if only short term. I,m sure all speedway fans are hoping Poole can run in 2022 but surely their must be some sort of deadline to declare and name their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, daz9100 said: To give the landlord a slap around the head with their stupid demands. For the record I wouldn't want to see Poole falling by the way side. The council wouldn't be able to do anything though because it's the landlord's property at the end of the day and unfortunately they don't care about our Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, lewy said: I,m sure all speedway fans are hoping Poole can run in 2022 but surely their must be some sort of deadline to declare and name their team. Think all decent speedway fans agree on that score. We will just have to be patient I suppose as Xmas close down for many will probably drag this into next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pirates Of Poole said: Stadia UK have an agreement with the council that is due to last another 17 years, based on them running 2 sports out the stadium which they no longer do. The are pushing for a very large increase in rent with no extra service supply. Bottom line, the council own the stadium and it is sub contracted to stadia UK, if they are being un-reasonable the club are well in their right to take this up with the land owner and get their support! commercial leases can be very complex so who knows,as the speedway is the third level in the "chain"behind the freeholder and the leaseholder they would almost certainly have very very minimal legal rights,i dont know if speedways solicitors have any specialists in this field but rest assured stadiauk will have,being a sponsor isnt going to help (except perhaps with a discount lol) it might as simple as stadiauk wanted more than the(apparently) normal 3% increase so asked for 100% but will settle for say 40%.they would then consider a 13 fold increase on the normal annual rise a succesfull negotiation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted December 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: For the record I wouldn't want to see Poole falling by the way side. The council wouldn't be able to do anything though because it's the landlord's property at the end of the day and unfortunately they don't care about our Sport. Don't be thick. The council own the land the stadium is on not Stadia UK, speedway would have been out years ago if they owned it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: For the record I wouldn't want to see Poole falling by the way side. The council wouldn't be able to do anything though because it's the landlord's property at the end of the day and unfortunately they don't care about our Sport. The commercial/residential plans/pictures posted on the forum earlier this year did look impressive for sure and showed how the area could look more in line with the 21st century. There was no way you could have seen a speedway stadium looking in place in such a facility. Let's hope at least for the forseeable future they remain exactly that - Just plans/drawings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted December 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: Exactly what I said but it went down the wrong way with Poole fans. Cos you are talking BS. Try sticking to facts, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, poole keith said: commercial leases can be very complex so who knows,as the speedway is the third level in the "chain"behind the freeholder and the leaseholder they would almost certainly have very very minimal legal rights,i dont know if speedways solicitors have any specialists in this field but rest assured stadiauk will have,being a sponsor isnt going to help (except perhaps with a discount lol) it might as simple as stadiauk wanted more than the(apparently) normal 3% increase so asked for 100% but will settle for say 40%.they would then consider a 13 fold increase on the normal annual rise a succesfull negotiation Your last comment may well be nearer the truth. Problem is that a sport in decline with lower crowds and income than back in the SKY Sport days, with lower commercial/sponsor income doesn't help the club. Also with the disaster of the previous main sponsor in 2018/2019 (cant remember which year) going bust owing the Club plenty, has not exactly helped bolster finances. Lat's all just hope a resolution can be found that works for all parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Pirates Of Poole said: Stadia UK have an agreement with the council that is due to last another 17 years, based on them running 2 sports out the stadium which they no longer do. The are pushing for a very large increase in rent with no extra service supply. Bottom line, the council own the stadium and it is sub contracted to stadia UK, if they are being un-reasonable the club are well in their right to take this up with the land owner and get their support! Big problem unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Don't be thick. The council own the land the stadium is on not Stadia UK, speedway would have been out years ago if they owned it imo. Get back to the ironing board Lisa. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearer09 Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, BassoontheGasso said: For the record I wouldn't want to see Poole falling by the way side. The council wouldn't be able to do anything though because it's the landlord's property at the end of the day and unfortunately they don't care about our Sport. What happens if they have to build a 1-7 on budget are you going to sit in your house loving it winding Poole supporters up as well just like you want to with Newcastle because we might be run on a budget but it’s still good to see speedway no matter what the team is! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Shearer09 said: What happens if they have to build a 1-7 on budget are you going to sit in your house loving it winding Poole supporters up as well just like you want to with Newcastle because we might be run on a budget but it’s still good to see speedway no matter what the team is! I'm not winding up Newcastle fans, Newcastle fans are just getting wound up. And no because unlike Newcastle Matt Ford will actually build a decent budget side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Poole are run on a budget. The same as Newcastle. Just that the budget is much higher than Newcastles. By the look of it though, one team is so desperate for the title which seems to always elude them, that the owners deep pockets have come into play to fulfil his desire for the title. Certainly the crowd size they get won’t cover the price of the team. Their fans better have their fingers crossed their team are successful. Thing is, Poole as a club have a winning mentality. Hard to beat, especially over two legs. Add to that if riders are not on their A game they are under threat of their place in the team. No going through the motions. There’s a reason Middlo is the best team manager in the league. He gets the best out of the riders who want to be winners. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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