FromBendThree Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Skidder1 said: The Poole REF raise money to give riders assistance when they get injured, crash or have damage to machinery. I knew exactly what REF does. It is archaic and just shows the vision of Speedway is no higher than a grasshopper's knee. Where's the professionalism, where's the ambition. Rather like Newcastle advertising that they have limited sponsorship opportunities left. Limited? It would seem limited by their imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, FromBendThree said: I knew exactly what REF does. It is archaic and just shows the vision of Speedway is no higher than a grasshopper's knee. Where's the professionalism, where's the ambition. Rather like Newcastle advertising that they have limited sponsorship opportunities left. Limited? It would seem limited by their imagination. The clubs in nearly every sport - professional or otherwise - have 'supporters/fan clubs' which are either 'official' or 'unofficial'. The point being that most of them hold social functions or activities throughout the season/year which raise money to assist their clubs, team members and local sports communities. As others have stated, the decision whether to partake is an individual choice...! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, FromBendThree said: I knew exactly what REF does. It is archaic and just shows the vision of Speedway is no higher than a grasshopper's knee. Where's the professionalism, where's the ambition. Rather like Newcastle advertising that they have limited sponsorship opportunities left. Limited? It would seem limited by their imagination. Surely their is a limit to advertising pages in a programme, as often its unecominic to increase by 2, 4 or 8 pages depending on the printing technique used. In addition there is limited advertising inventory in a stadium. So not actually limited by their imagination but by physical constraints. But hell what do I know - I just have 31 years experience in media sales and sports sponsorship. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 I bet with your 32 years experience, if you looked over Newcastle's inventory, you would find lots more places to bring in sponsorship and advertising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, FromBendThree said: I bet with your 32 years experience, if you looked over Newcastle's inventory, you would find lots more places to bring in sponsorship and advertising. They have one of the better club websites. They are also only behind Leicester and Belle Vue in terms of how competitive the local market is for sports sponsorship, so I would imagine its a tough sell. The key to any sponsorship is that it has to be beneficial to both parties. In the case of clubs this means that unless a Director is a fan they would be better off targeting local SME's and focusing on the services that an aging audiance would be interested in. It is no good going after national brands as the audiance is to small, to poor, to old and in to heavily one gender. And I write this as a speedway fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: They have one of the better club websites. They are also only behind Leicester and Belle Vue in terms of how competitive the local market is for sports sponsorship, so I would imagine its a tough sell. The key to any sponsorship is that it has to be beneficial to both parties. In the case of clubs this means that unless a Director is a fan they would be better off targeting local SME's and focusing on the services that an aging audiance would be interested in. It is no good going after national brands as the audiance is to small, to poor, to old and in to heavily one gender. And I write this as a speedway fan. Totally agree but still no need to talk about limited opportunities. I guess they are trying to make it sound like a 'race' to grab sponsorship when it actually may put people off. There, what do I know, having worked in the media for 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 It's a shame to be hijacking the Poole thread but I am confused regarding riders finances nowadays. Most riders claim that they don't earn enough and yet rock up with 3 new bikes every season and have no job during the winter. And then they hire a brand new van at x amount of pounds a month.. And yet young Flint reckons he can earn a decent living and he's only just starting out in relative terms to a lot of riders... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, The Dog said: It's a shame to be hijacking the Poole thread but I am confused regarding riders finances nowadays. Most riders claim that they don't earn enough and yet rock up with 3 new bikes every season and have no job during the winter. And then they hire a brand new van at x amount of pounds a month.. And yet young Flint reckons he can earn a decent living and he's only just starting out in relative terms to a lot of riders... ...and getting back to Poole, the Poole REF tend to 'help' the younger (more junior?) riders first, as they tend to be paid less per point, have less of an attractive financial deal from the club and are likely to have less sponsors compared to the 'top' riders in the team. Despite suggestions to the contrary, Poole are not big payers but they are reliable, regular payers with limited sources of income. At Poole the only income the club benefits from - aside from merchandise - is admission sales, advertising (banners and programme) and sponsorship. Everything else goes to the stadium which is why the speedway management work so diligently to attract club sponsorship. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 15 hours ago, The Dog said: It's a shame to be hijacking the Poole thread but I am confused regarding riders finances nowadays. Most riders claim that they don't earn enough and yet rock up with 3 new bikes every season and have no job during the winter. And then they hire a brand new van at x amount of pounds a month.. And yet young Flint reckons he can earn a decent living and he's only just starting out in relative terms to a lot of riders... And there you have it in a nutshell. Speedway will be in a muddle in the UK all the time riders think it is a full time job. There may have been a few years when it was but the riders should count the people on the terraces and realise those days have gone. Eastbourne, Rye House, Lakeside and Central Park and that's just places within a relatively easy drive of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 It's only a full time job if you're good enough to make it one. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: It's only a full time job if you're good enough to make it one. And from a riders perspective it's the transition period from being a hobby / sport to a job / business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 18 hours ago, W9 Lion said: They have one of the better club websites. They are also only behind Leicester and Belle Vue in terms of how competitive the local market is for sports sponsorship, so I would imagine its a tough sell. The key to any sponsorship is that it has to be beneficial to both parties. In the case of clubs this means that unless a Director is a fan they would be better off targeting local SME's and focusing on the services that an aging audiance would be interested in. It is no good going after national brands as the audiance is to small, to poor, to old and in to heavily one gender. And I write this as a speedway fan. Leicester? What about Glasgow, Wolves/Birmingham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) And yet another Poole sponsor renews for 2022 - Trethowan Solicitors. Great supporters of the club and the Fords. Always good to be in a partnership with a strong legal firm - you never know when you might need one! Although it seems that one of the newer companies may have had a change of heart. Edited March 1, 2022 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Wee Eck said: Leicester? What about Glasgow, Wolves/Birmingham? The rugby, basketball & netball clubs are weaker in those locations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: The rugby, basketball & netball clubs are weaker in those locations. Yes, but four football clubs including Celtic and Rangers. I don't know how much sponsorship those clubs will take in but imagine the Old Firm won't be calling on small traders, so not a competition to Glasgow Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, FromBendThree said: Yes, but four football clubs including Celtic and Rangers. I don't know how much sponsorship those clubs will take in but imagine the Old Firm won't be calling on small traders, so not a competition to Glasgow Tigers. In the same way, those involved in sponsoring Leicester City or the Leicester Tigers are unlikely to be potential sponsors of Leicester Lions. There is competition for sponsorship in all markets but that doesn’t mean that every sport competes for every sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: And yet another Poole sponsor renews for 2022 - Trethowan Solicitors. Great supporters of the club and the Fords. Always good to be in a partnership with a strong legal firm - you never know when you might need one! Although it seems that one of the newer companies may have had a change of heart. Why do you feel the need to post every time a sponsor renews if everyone did this for their club the forum would go into meltdown only Poole fans seem to feel the need to blow their own trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, lewy said: Why do you feel the need to post every time a sponsor renews if everyone did this for their club the forum would go into meltdown only Poole fans seem to feel the need to blow their own trumpet. not all of us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, ray c said: not all of us Apologies only one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, lewy said: Why do you feel the need to post every time a sponsor renews if everyone did this for their club the forum would go into meltdown only Poole fans seem to feel the need to blow their own trumpet. You can always put me on 'ignore'! Although you seem more interested in Poole than your own team Plymouth. Club fans should blow their own trumpet whenever there is an announcement by their club. As Poole are one of the clubs that don't go with a 'main sponsor' then this forum and others can create extra exposure for those organisations that give their financial support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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