spin king junior Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Can't get behind that decision. Allen was awful when he showed up for Belle Vue and got soundly beat by Nielsen. Hope that I get proved wrong but I feel like it's a change just for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcote Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Smacks of making a change just for the sake of it in my opinion. Whilst Stefan hasn't really shown the form of last season he also hasn't been that bad either, yes possibly being outscored by Connor, but Connor does get the slightly easier rides due to being a "rising star" although in terms of years in the sport and experience not a deal between them, connor just lucky in terms of getting he number 7 spot. Its further up the order that Sheffields management need to be looking, whilst i dont think anyone is in danger of losing their terms place, the complete lack of consistency certainly needs addressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve55 said: Allen wasn't the only Ace to get zero in that meeting, but knowing you were only a 'temporary' team member, would you bust a gut to put points on the board in the League Cup meetings? He was also riding at 4 which put pressure on him to perform, whereas riding at reserve might give him time to get up to speed. Looking at his past there shouldn't be any reason he can't be riding in the main body of the team before the end of the season. Only time will tell! Feel sorry for Stephan, won heat 2 last night which contributed to our narrow victory, but just doesn't seem to be showing the potential he did last year before injury put him out. He's also been out scored by Connor up to now so I can see why they've done this. Its irrelevant what match it is, he's riding to earn a living so he should be busting a gut in every heat he's in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Silly team change going on reputation that's been based around Jake having a good year before the pandemic. Stefan Nielsen is a better rider than Jake Allen at the moment tbh. Allen is only good around Scunthorpe these days imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Last season I was hoping we’d get Jake but he didn’t have too good a season. This year I can’t see any difference to be honest. I hope he can feed off the experience in our team and thrive because he’s definitely got talent. Wonder if it’s his bikes or him that’s been the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Steve55 said: Allen wasn't the only Ace to get zero in that meeting, but knowing you were only a 'temporary' team member, would you bust a gut to put points on the board in the League Cup meetings? He was also riding at 4 which put pressure on him to perform, whereas riding at reserve might give him time to get up to speed. Looking at his past there shouldn't be any reason he can't be riding in the main body of the team before the end of the season. Only time will tell! Feel sorry for Stephan, won heat 2 last night which contributed to our narrow victory, but just doesn't seem to be showing the potential he did last year before injury put him out. He's also been out scored by Connor up to now so I can see why they've done this. There is a vast difference riding at 6 or 7 dictated, this year, having the rising star at 7. The no 6 rides with & against heat leaders & if you did not have a strong top 5 & Connor moved in to the main body with Cook at 6 & Allen at 7 would their scores be similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Heathcote said: Smacks of making a change just for the sake of it in my opinion. Whilst Stefan hasn't really shown the form of last season he also hasn't been that bad either, yes possibly being outscored by Connor, but Connor does get the slightly easier rides due to being a "rising star" although in terms of years in the sport and experience not a deal between them, connor just lucky in terms of getting he number 7 spot. Its further up the order that Sheffield's management need to be looking, whilst i don't think anyone is in danger of losing their terms place, the complete lack of consistency certainly needs addressing Indeed looking at starting aves Vs 2022 aves, there's a few dropping more off their ave than Nielsen! Tobiasz Musielak 6.21 to 8.50 (+2.29) Connor Mountain 3.14 to 4.38 (+1.24) Kyle Howarth 6.04 to 6.80 (+0.76) Stefan Neilsen 3.00 to 2.89 (-0.11) Adam Ellis 7.92 to 7.65 (-0.27) Jack Holder 8.87 to 7.33 (-1.54) Craig Cook 6.81 to 5.15 (-1.66) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Having a top 5 as Sheffield have, they will take points off each other meaning their averages will to & fro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Great move for both parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Having a top 5 as Sheffield have, they will take points off each other meaning their averages will to & fro. But Jack and Craig is over a point and a half down, that is more than just beating each other!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Heathcote said: Smacks of making a change just for the sake of it in my opinion. Whilst Stefan hasn't really shown the form of last season he also hasn't been that bad either, yes possibly being outscored by Connor, but Connor does get the slightly easier rides due to being a "rising star" although in terms of years in the sport and experience not a deal between them, connor just lucky in terms of getting he number 7 spot. Its further up the order that Sheffields management need to be looking, whilst i dont think anyone is in danger of losing their terms place, the complete lack of consistency certainly needs addressing There is i big difference between the way Mountain and Nielson are riding though, Mountain has been on the pace in most of his rides this season and has deserved a lot more points than he has scored, Nielson, apart from Heat 2 last night wasn't really on the pace and looked down on power, and has all season. Nielson deserved his chance after last season but it hasn't worked out, we will have to see if Allen does 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Not sure I am entirely convinced by the decision - if you are going to replace then replace with someone who you are certain is better - I am not sure this is, unless of course Nielsen volunteered to go? In the two home meetings I have attended he has scored 3+1 and 3 from his 7 rides against BV the home reserves were outscored by 8 pts to 6 but that inclued Tom Brennan taking 7 rides to cover R/R Last night they outscored their Wolves counterparts 7 to 6 - I'd be looking higher up in the 1-5 for reasons why the win wasn't by more last night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Indeed looking at starting aves Vs 2022 aves, there's a few dropping more off their ave than Nielsen! Tobiasz Musielak 6.21 to 8.50 (+2.29) Connor Mountain 3.14 to 4.38 (+1.24) Kyle Howarth 6.04 to 6.80 (+0.76) Stefan Neilsen 3.00 to 2.89 (-0.11) Adam Ellis 7.92 to 7.65 (-0.27) Jack Holder 8.87 to 7.33 (-1.54) Craig Cook 6.81 to 5.15 (-1.66) One has to wonder if JH is burning himself out with endless travel and foreign commitments. He certainly doesn't look like the same rider who started the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 I dont think Sheffield fans have anything to worry about, you will easily make the play offs and with Jake replacing Stefan you look even stronger than before and on paper had the superior team. Come play off time your top riders will turn it on for the occasion and you'll win silverware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 On Thursday Nielsen won heat 2, beating Kemp & Flint. He then had two last places, losing to Becker / Douglas & Masters / Worrall. Never raced a reserve again after heat 2. How can anyone expect him to score more than the 3 points he did? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, szkocjasid said: On Thursday Nielsen won heat 2, beating Kemp & Flint. He then had two last places, losing to Becker / Douglas & Masters / Worrall. Never raced a reserve again after heat 2. How can anyone expect him to score more than the 3 points he did? Bates the promoter what a silly quote he said we expected more from Stefan he had done ok.Allen is a very good rider but he has a bit to prove in my book. Edited June 11, 2022 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: On Thursday Nielsen won heat 2, beating Kemp & Flint. He then had two last places, losing to Becker / Douglas & Masters / Worrall. Never raced a reserve again after heat 2. How can anyone expect him to score more than the 3 points he did? I think it's more to do with what other clubs have Peterborough altho all riders are off form will always have a decent rider at 6 such as Basso Nicholls etc. Kings Lynn have Worrall or TJ or Kerr Ipswich have Barker or Starke Belle Vue have the best no.7 Wolves are the only other side that maybe don't have that capability of a high scoring reserve Jake is a better rider who will be able to match most of the other riders at 6 and could push for a main team berth which would leave someone like Howarth at 6 which is strong Good management from the club 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Took some time out to think about the change. Looking at the averages for each of the teams reserve pairing for this season. The strongest pairing is Kings Lynn by a country mile Worrall and Thomas, but with Thomas getting injured I would imagine that the they will now have to Mulford instead and that I would imagine would make them weaker. The weakest pairing by quite a bit is Wolves Flint and Kemp, and the rest is very much the same based on their averages for rides this season. So do I think that the dropping of Stefan Nielsen is harsh, yes the team have won more meeting than they have lost, and it is difficult to understand why you would want to make changes. But I can understand the change, it should strengthen the team. Okay Jake Allen did not make a big impression at Belle Vue, but rode so few meetings before Belle Vue dropped him, so you have to look at his and Stefan's championship averages for this seasons rides and Jake's average is significantly higher than Stefan's, so in theory it should make us stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 Harsh on Neilsen, strongest team have in theory improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 10, 2022 Report Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Col said: Harsh on Neilsen, strongest team have in theory improved. Very harsh when you look at the reserve riders averages for this season's rides. With the injury to Jack Thomas at Kings Lynn on this seasons averages there is no much between each teams reserve pairings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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