mikebv Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, tellboy said: Your forgetting you are allowed a facility for someone refusing to ride.Kildemand would get the 28 day ban,not Lynn The Aces could have declared Zagar before the season stated as he fits the official average allowed .. But then he got injured but carried on riding elsewhere.... But also refused to ride in the UK so got a 28 day ban, meaning they brought Allen in... And after 28 days Zagar comes back.. And we would be in exactly the same place where we are now.. And everyone would have been "happy"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: The Aces could have declared Zagar before the season stated as he fits the official average allowed .. But then he got injured but carried on riding elsewhere.... But also refused to ride in the UK so got a 28 day ban, meaning they brought Allen in... And after 28 days Zagar comes back.. And we would be in exactly the same place where we are now.. And everyone would have been "happy"... That would have been legitimate,unlike the way they have gone about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, tellboy said: That would have been legitimate,unlike the way they have gone about it. And therefore that means that such convoluted nonsense would have been more credible and acceptable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, mikebv said: And therefore that means that such convoluted nonsense would have been more credible and acceptable? No it doesn't make it more credible,but that's the rule book for you.If thing's aren't complex it seems it doesn't belong in the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, tellboy said: Have you read the rules? K.Lynn are allowed a facility as Kildemand isn't coming. Did Belle Vue declare their 1-7 before the start of the season?Lemon's incompetence of not being able to do this is now being rewarded. No the signed a rider on a 28 day contract which the BSPA approved. Do you honestly think that the BSPA didn't expect BV to replace that rider. Stop digging that hole. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, SUPERACE said: No the signed a rider on a 28 day contract which the BSPA approved. Do you honestly think that the BSPA didn't expect BV to replace that rider. Stop digging that hole. So you didn't have a declared 1-7 before the season started,which you should according to the complex speedway rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 Iversen(once he's fitter) and Zagar improve the league....all im interested in.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, hagonshocker said: Iversen(once he's fitter) and Zagar improve the league....all im interested in.... Me, You, and the vast majority of fans I would say.... A huge opportunity I would think over the next couple of years for the sport over here when (if) Poland release the riders to ride in more leagues. .. The top league has to be seen as "the flagship" in any sport so getting plenty of top two division riders from Poland over here into the teams (with top GP stars included) will be almost like a "new start" for the sport.. In the interim, having the likes of Doyle, Fricke, NKI, Holder, Kurtz, and Zagar over here means the top league has some "top talent" that doesn't also ride Div 2 so there is some demarcation.... The more the merrier, and the better the sport will be... Edited May 4, 2022 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Me, You, and the vast majority of fans I would say.... A huge opportunity I would think over the next couple of years for the sport over here when (if) Poland release the riders to ride in more leagues. .. The top league has to be seen as "the flagship" in any sport so getting plenty of top two division riders from Poland over here into the teams (with top GP stars included) will be almost like a "new start" for the sport.. In the interim, having the likes Doyle, Fricke, NKI, Holder, Kurtz, and Zagar over here means the top league has some "top talent" that doesn't also ride Div 2 so there is some demarcation.... The more the merrier, and the better the sport will be... Yep agree with all of that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 4, 2022 Report Share Posted May 4, 2022 Yes, as long as it is within the rules of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) On 5/4/2022 at 4:13 PM, tellboy said: So you didn't have a declared 1-7 before the season started,which you should according to the complex speedway rules. Someone take away his spade. Edited May 5, 2022 by SUPERACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 7 hours ago, SUPERACE said: Someone take away his spade. Not at all.But sometimes you lose the will to get your point across,especially to the ones who don't want to accept it or indeed don't understand it.As the saying goes"there's none so blind as those who will not see".This certainly rings true here so there is no point going on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, tellboy said: Not at all.But sometimes you lose the will to get your point across,especially to the ones who don't want to accept it or indeed don't understand it.As the saying goes"there's none so blind as those who will not see".This certainly rings true here so there is no point going on. People believe what they want to believe, on both sides of any argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 Was it Bewley they were apparently waiting on,if so who would that have been for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, wtf said: People believe what they want to believe, on both sides of any argument. Absolutely true!! But who is actually right and who is wrong? Posters have interpreted the same rules & regulations in different ways. The speedway governing body has sanctioned several things that surely must be within the rules as they meant them to be applied - or have they? Anyway, there's certainly a strong 'split' of opinion on whether they have or not. The only 'opinion' that counts in the end, though, is that of the speedway governing body. It won't stop the debate, but perhaps everyone from both sides of the argument should be lobbying for the rules and regulations to be worded in clear, straightforward and unambiguous English. And, anyone who might say they already are .... well, maybe that's case of 'none so blind' too? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 9:48 PM, lisa-colette said: Yes, as long as it is within the rules of course! The bspl ignore or change the rules as they see fit….. have done for the last 50 years 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, KIRKYLANE said: The bspl ignore or change the rules as they see fit….. have done for the last 50 years Definitely agree with you on that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 hours ago, KIRKYLANE said: The bspl ignore or change the rules as they see fit….. have done for the last 50 years Writing them as ambiguous as they can means subjective interpretation comes into play.. Which then means clubs can use this to their advantage as and when the need arises.. And. As pretty much every club will need to use these ambiguous regulations at some time of their existence, no one will complain or challenge the process.. And obviously "in the interest of Speedway" trumps everything if all else fails anyway.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 Well for one I was happy to see Zagar in action at Foxhall last night regardless of how anyone interprets the rules 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: Well for one I was happy to see Zagar in action at Foxhall last night regardless of how anyone interprets the rules I am sure the crowd would have been a good few more with him there than if he wasnt.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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