hyderd Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: But is it 25% of all fixtures, or 25% of each team's fixtures? The fixture list is so patchy (without including postponements), 25% overall means some teams will have had less matches than others. By the same token, 25% for each team (without including postponements) means different times depending on when they complete their 25% ... It simply says 25% of league fixtures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: Mmm interesting interpretation but isn’t the LEAGUE cup for the teams in the league, therefore teams should be declared prior to it starting. It is, after all, part of the season. Bending the rules to the max IMO. The FA cup is for teams in all football leagues, has nowt to do with the normal leagues. Same in speedway, the league cup was simply to give teams and fans more meeting, it has nowt to do with the league though. Just some jealous fans on here, now that it looks like we have a decent team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: Mmm interesting interpretation but isn’t the LEAGUE cup for the teams in the league, therefore teams should be declared prior to it starting. It is, after all, part of the season. Bending the rules to the max IMO. They are Bending nothing, the BSPL Directors have completely ignored rule 12.2 and confirmed the declaration under 10.3.1 (best interests of the sport). Take a bow Godfrey, Bates, Louis and Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 58 minutes ago, hyderd said: The FA cup is for teams in all football leagues, has nowt to do with the normal leagues. Same in speedway, the league cup was simply to give teams and fans more meeting, it has nowt to do with the league though. Just some jealous fans on here, now that it looks like we have a decent team The bullsh!t being spouted about league and league Cup is just smoke and mirrors to justify the manipulation The regulation applies to the team declarations prior to the start of the season. It doesn't matter what competition has started or otherwise The fact that only League matches are quoted for the 25% makes no difference it still doesn't state you can make changes earlier As Bigcatdiary suggests they simply haven't applied the regulation and instead have copped out with the alternative "best interest" regulation British Speedway has no integrity as a sporting competition as a result 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The bullsh!t being spouted about league and league Cup is just smoke and mirrors to justify the manipulation The regulation applies to the team declarations prior to the start of the season. It doesn't matter what competition has started or otherwise The fact that only League matches are quoted for the 25% makes no difference it still doesn't state you can make changes earlier As Bigcatdiary suggests they simply haven't applied the regulation and instead have copped out with the alternative "best interest" regulation British Speedway has no integrity as a sporting competition as a result To be fair... The way you can cherry pick your own team from everyone's riders at any given moment means it never really does have any sporting integrity does it? However, what it does have is some decent entertainment value and having Zagar riding at six UK tracks will help swell attendances much more than yet another double upper would do... And that is what really matters. ie How many punters can you encourage to watch the sport, as the result for many fans is largely secondary to what they watch.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 Yet if Peterborough did it I bet BV fans would be moaning day and night! lol. Not sure I buy the defense of 'well it makes the league more interesting!' 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: To be fair... The way you can cherry pick your own team from everyone's riders at any given moment means it never really does have any sporting integrity does it? However, what it does have is some decent entertainment value and having Zagar riding at six UK tracks will help swell attendances much more than yet another double upper would do... And that is what really matters. ie How many punters can you encourage to watch the sport, as the result for many fans is largely secondary to what they watch.. If that's the case why bring in the 25% rule in the first place. Transfer windows are for football not speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, lisa-colette said: Yet if Peterborough did it I bet BV fans would be moaning day and night! lol. Not sure I buy the defense of 'well it makes the league more interesting!' If that's the case why bring in the 25% rule in the first place. Transfer windows are for football not speedway UK Speedway has more transfer windows than any other sport going.... Every bloody day seems to be a transfer window whereby one rider will transfer over to another team "for one night only"... Bomber must be very confused who he actually rides for sometimes... One week he will ride against himself... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) I don’t know what the fuss is about. BV have said Jake Allen was only signed on a temporary contract - strange I know but surely it was best to start the season with 7 riders rather than 6. It’s good to see Zagar back riding in the UK Edited May 1, 2022 by Steve0 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, hyderd said: The FA cup is for teams in all football leagues, has nowt to do with the normal leagues. Same in speedway, the league cup was simply to give teams and fans more meeting, it has nowt to do with the league though. Just some jealous fans on here, now that it looks like we have a decent team Jealous, haha, you’re funny. What you’re trying to say is if the boot was on the other foot and Wolves had signed Freddy or Tai in the same situation you would be overjoyed. Pull the other one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Steve0 said: I don’t know what the fuss is about. BV have said the Jake Allen was only signed on a temporary contract - strange I know but surely it was best to start the season with 7 riders rather than 6. It’s good to see Zagar back riding in the UK Exactly.... Let's hope every team can bring in more "top level riders" during the season... I am going tomorrow with my lad and three others who like us "used to go regularly"... Not to desperately see an Aces win, but to watch Zagar, and hopefully see a good close meeting between two very good teams, with the usual NSS standard of racing.... That's well over £100 that the Aces (and the sport), wouldn't have had... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Jealous, haha, you’re funny. What you’re trying to say is if the boot was on the other foot and Wolves had signed Freddy or Tai in the same situation you would be overjoyed. Pull the other one! It would be great for Wolves to sign Freddy or Tai, and great for the other five tracks too as their attendances would be boosted by having either of those two in opposition... I remember the Ipswich "Superteam" with Tony R, Gollob, Louis and Nicholls visiting twice, and the two attendances on those occasions were far and away the best all season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, Steve0 said: I don’t know what the fuss is about. BV have said Jake Allen was only signed on a temporary contract - strange I know but surely it was best to start the season with 7 riders rather than 6. It’s good to see Zagar back riding in the UK And if Poole did it you'd be first to call them what was it again? Oh yeah, cheating scumbags! Okay for BV do it though If it's in the rules then it's fine, if it's not then they should wait. Not like they wouldn't be able to do it, just when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: And if Poole did it you'd be first to call them what was it again? Oh yeah, cheating scumbags! Okay for BV do it though If it's in the rules then it's fine, if it's not then they should wait. Not like they wouldn't be able to do it, just when. I think that's the whole issue Lisa, the rules are far from clear. It's an interesting thread as some are adamant it's a fudge by the BSPL and others think it's quite clearly ok, better wording of the regs would have cleared it all up. Unfortunately the rule book has been a horlicks for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I think that's the whole issue Lisa, the rules are far from clear. It's an interesting thread as some are adamant it's a fudge by the BSPL and others think it's quite clearly ok, better wording of the regs would have cleared it all up. Unfortunately the rule book has been a horlicks for years. Yes, clear as mud. As usual!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 All this will do is put another addition to the rule book.The rule book has to many rules in it as it is.Why don't they just make every team make the declaration of their 1-7 by a certain date,obviously before any matches take place.Something like the end of February will do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, tellboy said: All this will do is put another addition to the rule book.The rule book has to many rules in it as it is.Why don't they just make every team make the declaration of their 1-7 by a certain date,obviously before any matches take place.Something like the end of February will do. Oooooo! Controversial... And easily what 100% should happen, personally by December giving 3 months of advertising and for the riders to drum up sponsorship.. Teams change daily in Speedway anyway so it would just be a "cosmetic starting point" anyway... Transfer window could be June and July and then that is it... April and May to build the averages, and after July there will still be plenty of matches left so no team can bring in riders a few weeks before the play offs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, lisa-colette said: And if Poole did it you'd be first to call them what was it again? Oh yeah, cheating scumbags! Okay for BV do it though If it's in the rules then it's fine, if it's not then they should wait. Not like they wouldn't be able to do it, just when. I didn’t mention Poole - you did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, Steve0 said: I didn’t mention Poole - you did! I know I did lol. I just made a similar comparison where your opinion is completely different. Just interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The bullsh!t being spouted about league and league Cup is just smoke and mirrors to justify the manipulation The regulation applies to the team declarations prior to the start of the season. It doesn't matter what competition has started or otherwise The fact that only League matches are quoted for the 25% makes no difference it still doesn't state you can make changes earlier As Bigcatdiary suggests they simply haven't applied the regulation and instead have copped out with the alternative "best interest" regulation British Speedway has no integrity as a sporting competition as a result If that’s the case then why in previous seasons, teams that ran challenge fixtures still had to wait until 25% of league fixtures had been run before being allowed to make changes? The rules are simple and very clear on this one and it’s terribly embarrassing to see such stupidity displayed on these pages. By the way, I’d like an answer to my question. Edited May 2, 2022 by ouch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 25% of league matches, plain English. end of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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