tellboy Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, BV66 said: If the signing of Zagar is refused by the BSPL, they have two choices. Re-sign Jake Allen or use the No8. They could still sign Zagar and use , after 25% of the League meetings have been completed, I make that after May 19th (Weather & cancellations allowing) and proving averages still fit. The riders averages should remain the same until the end of May shouldn't they?So Zagar would fit anyway after you have completed 25% of the league meetings on May 19th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: That would be my take too. The regulations could have been much clearer in their wording though to emphasise it. Not sure temporary signings would even be permitted if it wasn't the case. That seems to be the exact crux of the matter, given the differing views of how this particular regulation is being interpreted on this forum. As another poster has said, though, it is only the SGB Premiership Ruling Authoritites' interpretation that counts and how they want to enforce it. If Matej Zagar's signing is permitted then we'll know a few on here have interpreted it differently from the Ruling Authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: The averages & declarations are 2 separate elements, they do not go hand in hand with regards to 25% rule. The League Cup is part of team declaration & 25% rule. Are we sure? If it is, then two clubs will have an extra two fixtures in their schedule as opposed to the other four. Four clubs will have 20 League & 4 League Cup fixtures, and the other two will have 20 League & 6 League Cup fixtures. 25% of 24 matches = 6 matches, and 25% of 26 matches = 6.50 matches. Surely, even our governing body, wouldn't base something on all clubs not having the same number of matches and, also, ending up with a non-whole number as the 25% figure. If they have then will they ‘round up’ or ‘round down’ the 6.50 – if the former then four clubs will be able to change their line-ups after six matches and the other two will have to wait until seven matches are ridden. So, if League Cup fixtures are counting towards the 25% as Daniel Smith suggests above, Belle Vue couldn't sign Matej Zagar until after six completed matches, four of which have already been ridden. So, they couldn't use him for Peterborough (H) on 2 May and Ipswich (a) on 5 May. He could then be brought into the team starting with Peterborough (a) on 9 May. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: It doesn't need to mention the league cup. The League Cup precedes the Premiership so changes can't be made until 25% of league fixtures are completed. It's not difficult to understand. Also Jake Allen is a declared rider whose 28 day contract is irrelevant as he WASN'T granted facility status. The rules the same if the League Cup Final happens after 75% of Premiership fixtures, team won't be allowed changes for that fixture either. It really isn't hard to understand at all So, I presume here that if no facility was granted, and Jake decided he didn't want to ride for Belle Vue after his 28-day contract expired, then the Aces would just be left with Rider Replacement as their only option. I'm thinking that they couldn't use the No.8, as he is only able to be used to cover the absence of the Rising Star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, BarracudaAce said: So, I presume here that if no facility was granted, and Jake decided he didn't want to ride for Belle Vue after his 28-day contract expired, then the Aces would just be left with Rider Replacement as their only option. I'm thinking that they couldn't use the No.8, as he is only able to be used to cover the absence of the Rising Star? R/R is a facility isn't it? Didn't Ipswich use their no8 last night instead of their other reserve.They didn't use him for the rising star who was absent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, BarracudaAce said: I'm thinking that they couldn't use the No.8, as he is only able to be used to cover the absence of the Rising Star? As I was told again last night, the number 8 is part of the squad, and can be used to cover any member of the team without the need for the club to re-declare. The number 8 must also be used if your rising star is missing. If neither the rising star OR the number 8 are available, Then another rising star up to the missing riders average can be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, BarracudaAce said: 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: It doesn't need to mention the league cup. The League Cup precedes the Premiership so changes can't be made until 25% of league fixtures are completed. It's not difficult to understand. Also Jake Allen is a declared rider whose 28 day contract is irrelevant as he WASN'T granted facility status. The rules the same if the League Cup Final happens after 75% of Premiership fixtures, team won't be allowed changes for that fixture either. It really isn't hard to understand at all ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I presume here that if no facility was granted, and Jake decided he didn't want to ride for Belle Vue after his 28-day contract expired, then the Aces would just be left with Rider Replacement as their only option. I'm thinking that they couldn't use the No.8, as he is only able to be used to cover the absence of the Rising Star? 28 minutes ago, tellboy said: R/R is a facility isn't it? Didn't Ipswich use their no8 last night instead of their other reserve.They didn't use him for the rising star who was absent. So here's an example of the reader interpreting something different from what the writer meant - speedway regulations anyone? When saying 'no facility was granted' I was referring to the quote I'd included of a Daniel Smith post re: Jake Allen's 28-day contract not being granted facility status. I wasn't referring to R/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarracudaAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: As I was told again last night, the number 8 is part of the squad, and can be used to cover any member of the team without the need for the club to re-declare. The number 8 must also be used if your rising star is missing. If neither the rising star OR the number 8 are available, Then another rising star up to the missing riders average can be used. Thank you for the full explanation. My obvious 'misunderstanding' came after discussing it with someone involved in the day-to-day running of a speedway club. (Not Belle Vue!!) I'll have to email him your reply!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: The averages & declarations are 2 separate elements, they do not go hand in hand with regards to 25% rule. The League Cup is part of team declaration & 25% rule. That's just your take, you can't have 4 meetings counting towards the 25% rule when those meetings don't effect riders averages. I think it's clear that the cup is bring treated separately from eague rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 No new team declaration on the bspl web site….. teams should be declared by each other by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 I hope Zagar does return to belle vue but why not get approval from the BSPL first then announce his return ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Dear BSPL, PLEASE let Matej Zagar ride for the Aces. As a Wolves fan my view is: if you don't I'm perilously close to not bother going to watch the Aces at Wolverhampton in a so called Premier League with bugger all teams in it and little to no credibility. Historically you as a management team have devalued the KOC to extinction, damn near finished Speedway as a team sport in the UK with no team variety, doubling up and excessive use of R/R. Stop shuffling the deck chairs on this sinking ship. In the 70's I went to over five meetings a week, now its getting closer to 5 a month! Have rules that will actually get spectators in! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, KIRKYLANE said: No new team declaration on the bspl web site….. teams should be declared by each other by now It is now and your all forgetting this rule. 010.3.1 The BSPA Directors monitor all proposed moves and have the sole responsibility to approve all re-declared teams, having been satisfied they are in the best interests of the sport. Result BSPL Directors 5 Sport Credibility 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Welcome Matej... Two full paying adults attending now on Monday to watch him, for what should be a close meeting.. Wouldn't have bothered if he hadn't been allowed to ride... Great to see anotherTop 20 rider in the world ride over here... Can only be good for all tracks... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Now announced by bspa drink them tears 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 ZAGAR RETURNS TO ACES - Friday, April 29, 2022 (britishspeedway.co.uk) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Confirmed. Let’s end all the mug slinging now & those who have tracks to watch speedway at appreciate it. the better the riders in the league the better the standard will be. I can’t believe people were actually moaning. Edited April 29, 2022 by hyabb17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Congrats on winning the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, hyabb17 said: Confirmed. Let’s end all the mug slinging now & those who have tracks to watch speedway at appreciate it. I don't think there was any mud slinging,it was just people interpreting the rules differently,which is totally understandable with how the rules are written. Good to see another top rider back in the UK.Just waiting for NKI now please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, TTT said: Congrats on winning the league. They still have Mark Lemon as manager... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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