mikebv Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Haza said: If that is the case as you interpret the rule if I was the BV Promoter I’d say ok then that’s it we pull out of the league we will sit out the 2022 season - see what happens then -basically the PL season is over 5 team league To be honest if that did happen (and Europsort would have something to say about that I am sure), I would fully support it and the NSS could then just run some very profitable individual events during the season.. Six or seven top level events well promoted, with decent sponsorship and prize money would get a good crowd in once a month I would suggest.. Saturday nights with no GP's would get very decent line ups, with ten high level riders who rode Friday in Poland being available, even if the Sunday racing clubs blocked their riders from competing.. Or ride on Fridays using the Sunday Polish League riding lads.. Or ride Sunday using the Friday Polish riding lads and the Saturday Polish 2nd and 3rd Div lads.. You could have some very high standard meetings, far and away eclipsing the level of UK league Speedway running the same days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: It would be their choice - they could try not manipulating the rules instead unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, hyderd said: unbelievable. That Belle Vue appear to be getting away with it - I could not agree more 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Put it this way. This current Belle Vue team with Jake Allen wouldn't make top 4. Belle Vue illegally add Matej Zagar, this will push King's Lynn outside the Play-Off's. Is that right & fair?? Belle Vue should rightful continue until the 25% is completed with Jake Allen. Belle Vue could well still make top 4 from that point but then at least it's done in the correct way. Surely 5 league fixtures with Jake Allen isn't that much pain for Belle Vue? Then they can have a 15 meeting charge & prove themselves with Zagar Show us where it says League CUP, it clearly says League fixtures. No rules were broken, get over it and move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, hyderd said: Show us where it says League CUP, it clearly says League fixtures. No rules were broken, get over it and move on. You are correct that no rules have been broken as they are regulations The regulations apply from the start of the season (March 15th). All apply to the team declarations prior to the commencement of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Why stop any club from strengthening there side ? Why in speedway does it seem weak is better ?obviously clubs shouldn’t be allowed to strengthen during the play offs but at this early stage of the season i can’t see the problem All clubs had the same opportunity to sign Zagar id have thought and same opportunities to try to bring other riders back to the uk but no yet again weaken the product is the way forward . Only in speedway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Belle Vue aren't breaking any rules And that dosent sit with the BSF agenda, the rule is straight forward, if the move is illegal it will be overturned by the BSPl, people are interpreting it to suit their own argument, where none exists, Poole got it all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 Nothing has been put on the British Speedway website still about Zagar one way or the other , If they have rejected the signing of Zagar , BV wont have much time to find and sign a rider for Monday's meeting against Peterborough, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, bellevueace said: And that dosent sit with the BSF agenda, the rule is straight forward, if the move is illegal it will be overturned by the BSPl, people are interpreting it to suit their own argument, where none exists, Poole got it all the time. The regulations governing the sport are laid down by the governing authorities. Whether clubs are adhering to them or not is also down to the governing authorities, not us the supporters. If Belle Vue's signing of Matej Zagar is ratified, it is obviously within the way the governing authorities intended the regulation to work. If not ratified, then it isn't. As supporters it seems we're divided and debating on whether our own interpretation of the regulation is correct. As suppprters, perhaps our 'displeasure' ought to be aimed at the authorities for having regulations that, from the outside looking in, are seemingly open to different interpretations - rather than against an individual club in this case Belle Vue? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, hyderd said: Show us where it says League CUP, it clearly says League fixtures. No rules were broken, get over it and move on. It doesn't need to mention the league cup. The League Cup precedes the Premiership so changes can't be made until 25% of league fixtures are completed. It's not difficult to understand. Also Jake Allen is a declared rider whose 28 day contract is irrelevant as he WASN'T granted facility status. The rules the same if the League Cup Final happens after 75% of Premiership fixtures, team won't be allowed changes for that fixture either. It really isn't hard to understand at all 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BV66 Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 If the signing of Zagar is refused by the BSPL, they have two choices. Re-sign Jake Allen or use the No8. They could still sign Zagar and use , after 25% of the League meetings have been completed, I make that after May 19th (Weather & cancellations allowing) and proving averages still fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, BV66 said: If the signing of Zagar is refused by the BSPL, they have two choices. Re-sign Jake Allen or use the No8. They could still sign Zagar and use , after 25% of the League meetings have been completed, I make that after May 19th (Weather & cancellations allowing) and proving averages still fit. Exactly this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplepanthernotred Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: It doesn't need to mention the league cup. The League Cup precedes the Premiership so changes can't be made until 25% of league fixtures are completed. It's not difficult to understand. Also Jake Allen is a declared rider whose 28 day contract is irrelevant as he WASN'T granted facility status. The rules the same if the League Cup Final happens after 75% of Premiership fixtures, team won't be allowed changes for that fixture either. It really isn't hard to understand at all I’m with you on that one 100% I can’t see how it’s difficult too understand that 25% has too be completed before the change bar injury, And with league cup not being mentioned the normal assumption in my opinion would be too assume that you can’t change until the first 5 league meetings. That’s my logic anyways no doubt be questioned by others Edited April 29, 2022 by Redpanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: It doesn't need to mention the league cup. The League Cup precedes the Premiership so changes can't be made until 25% of league fixtures are completed. It's not difficult to understand. Also Jake Allen is a declared rider whose 28 day contract is irrelevant as he WASN'T granted facility status. The rules the same if the League Cup Final happens after 75% of Premiership fixtures, team won't be allowed changes for that fixture either. It really isn't hard to understand at all Is it by the authorities though? We'll soon see if they themselves understand it to be administered in the logical and well worded way you have explained it. If Zagar's signing is ratified then it is not, and is being administrated with a different interpretation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 I think it's clear the league cup doesn't count. Averages don't count in the league cup so how can they count towards the 25% of fixtures. Also for the 2 teams that go get to the final they will then have to ride 7 meetings before a change rather than 6 for the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: I think it's clear the league cup doesn't count. Averages don't count in the league cup so how can they count towards the 25% of fixtures. Also for the 2 teams that go get to the final they will then have to ride 7 meetings before a change rather than 6 for the rest. That would be my take too. The regulations could have been much clearer in their wording though to emphasise it. Not sure temporary signings would even be permitted if it wasn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERACE said: I think it's clear the league cup doesn't count. Averages don't count in the league cup so how can they count towards the 25% of fixtures. Also for the 2 teams that go get to the final they will then have to ride 7 meetings before a change rather than 6 for the rest. The averages & declarations are 2 separate elements, they do not go hand in hand with regards to 25% rule. The League Cup is part of team declaration & 25% rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 A fishing they will go e i addio a fishing they will go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: The averages & declarations are 2 separate elements, they do not go hand in hand with regards to 25% rule. The League Cup is part of team declaration & 25% rule. And you know that how? As the rule certainly doesn’t say that it just mentions league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 29, 2022 Report Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 hours ago, hyderd said: Show us where it says League CUP, it clearly says League fixtures. No rules were broken, get over it and move on. Ha, now you know what it's like when this was aimed at Poole year after year! Annoying isn't it?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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