foreverblue Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Col said: Then Ace's have 7.63 for final rider if Blodorn is 4.00. Sheffield's six come to 39.37? Sounds like a Kenny Bjerre average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Sounds like a Kenny Bjerre average Don't think so... Kenneth Bjerre 7.75 in 2019 for Belle Vue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Col said: Don't think so... Kenneth Bjerre 7.75 in 2019 for Belle Vue. Well I am sure he can be fitted in somehow, Poole used to be able to fiddle it!! Belle Vue fans must be smarting after a Panther won the Craven meeting! Edited March 24, 2022 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Tinker said: Maybe a revised deal from Eurosport to ensure it's financially worth it moving up to the Premiership. Eurosport would benefit too because there would be bigger names/teams to promote and hopefully a return to these shores of GP riders etc. A six team Premiership is a touch laughable in some respects and something needs to change sooner rather than later to maintain interest levels. As mentioned earlier, I also think a cheaper to run Championship (without the wealthier teams) would encourage new tracks to join. More tracks means more opportunities for young riders to learn their trade. Just like it used to be really, and the common sense solution.. It used to be that teams who didnt fancy paying out for top riders rode in Div 2. Teams that struggled to attract enough talen for Div 2 rode in Div 3, and the top league had pretty much the same traditional teams year on year. Teams willing to pay out for the top talent.. When Poole dropped down it showed just how much the Championship could offer as let's be honest, a large proportion of the riders that used to ride for or against Poole in the top tier still ride for or against Poole in the Championship... And, given how long the 2nd Div have had so many Div 1 Heat Leaders riding for them, I do struggle to see how things can move on, as any changes will have to be quite radical, (and as we know, Speedway in the UK doesnt do radical). Riders will want to keep the same money, and fans will want to watch the same standard of rider. Not to mention the Promoters who have had the chance to lead a fair few top tier riders without the financial requirements of Div 1. They wont be up for change I would think.. Personally for me it needs say an 8 to 10 team top league one you can truly promote as "Elite". Six man teams to ensure enough riders of the right levels, with the next two leagues below separated by finances, ie what you can afford, restricted heat leader strengths, and both having a clear development plan for riders to reach the next level.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Well I am sure he can be fitted in somehow, Poole used to be able to fiddle it!! Belle Vue fans must be smarting after a Panther won the Craven meeting! Not smarting at all. He won the meeting fair and square, he deserved it, and congratulations to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Well I am sure he can be fitted in somehow, Poole used to be able to fiddle it!! Belle Vue fans must be smarting after a Panther won the Craven meeting! Casting two fishing rods at the same time! My, you must be bored 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Riders need two leagues to race in, and 2nd Div clubs (and their fans) are now used to having plenty of Div One riders making up their teams.. Why go up to Div One, (stretching out the TV money pot), having to pay out money to "top riders", when you can run with "the next level of rider down" who are happy to take what you offer as they have two jobs? The sport is now pretty much in the grip of the Div 2 clubs who have the best of both worlds. Decent Div One standard riders and not having to follow the RS programme at the bottom end.. I would doubt too many Div 2 clubs would want to change the current way the sport is ran... This is my suggestion only and probably wouldn't be too popular.... If you move teams up into the Premier League which I will call in this instance the "British League" you then have to filter out riders to other clubs so for example, Sheffield would not have Cook, Musielak, Holder & Ellis in one side, you might have two if you are lucky, if you have say 8/10/12 clubs in the top league you are then really going to have to run at what Championship standards are now really to make it work, potentially you might have to find a medium between current prem pay rates and current championship pay rates. You could then end up with an 8/10/12 team second division which I will call the "National League" which would have to again be a balance between what the championship is now and what the national league is currently, the top end riders who would be in the current NL would have to maybe form part of the main body but not heat leader status in the 2nd division, potentially some current NL bottom end heat leaders or 2nd strings would be taking the reserve berths What the pandemic showed is that riders will get jobs if they want an income, I see riders traveling all over the world, buying houses, new bikes, new vans, etc. if it really was not paying then most riders would be on bread and butter and not having engine refreshes the Top end riders won;t need the 2nd division Danish riders can ride in Denmark Swedish riders can ride in Sweden The second division should be for commonwealth riders only who are not riding in the top flight in Sweden or Poland So aussies etc. who come over here can ride two leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) I'm pretty sure the last rider will be allen on a temp contract till he can sort something Edited March 24, 2022 by PhilTheAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: I'm pretty sure the last rider will be allen on a tempt contract till he can sort something What IS going on Phil ? Tbh the situation is a bit of a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: Well I am sure he can be fitted in somehow, Poole used to be able to fiddle it!! Belle Vue fans must be smarting after a Panther won the Craven meeting! Why would any belle vue fans be smarting, were not Poole fans, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 54 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: What IS going on Phil ? Tbh the situation is a bit of a shambles. He messed up. And now it's hard to get someone in. Simple as that really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Why would any belle vue fans be smarting, were not Poole fans, Because you would have expected a Belle Vue rider to win, surely Fricke should beat Toft, don't know why you would mention Poole fans!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman65 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 8 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: I'm pretty sure the last rider will be allen on a temp contract till he can sort something fricke allen wright etheridge kurtz brennen blodorn … wouldn’t be a bad side looking at the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 Jake allen confirmed on a 4 week temp contract while we look for a heat leader My guess is he's found that 3rd heat leader but due to the lateness of the deal he's paying over the odds for him so they are going to use the cheaper allen for the cup matches and then bring in the née riders for the league campaign. And he will replace whoever was the worst between jye and allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: Jake allen confirmed on a 4 week temp contract while we look for a heat leader My guess is he's found that 3rd heat leader but due to the lateness of the deal he's paying over the odds for him so they are going to use the cheaper allen for the cup matches and then bring in the née riders for the league campaign. And he will replace whoever was the worst between jye and allen Oh bugger, I was going to turn up in my kevlars monday, Jake has beaten me to it!! Edited March 25, 2022 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: My guess is he's found that 3rd heat leader but due to the lateness of the deal he's paying over the odds for him so they are going to use the cheaper allen for the cup matches and then bring in the née riders for the league campaign. If they were prepared to pay Woffy for the home matches, and Dan for both home and away, I would presume they can afford it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, mikebv said: If they were prepared to pay Woffy for the home matches, and Dan for both home and away, I would presume they can afford it... I expect they thought it would be unlikely to turn over the best team in the league over two legs so get a cheaper option for the cup and gives them longer to consider their options going forward. Jake is a good rider and very capable of putting a point on his current average so it could be Etheridge that is replaced later in the season,not sure if it is good for the team to have riders competing against each other though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: I expect they thought it would be unlikely to turn over the best team in the league over two legs so get a cheaper option for the cup and gives them longer to consider their options going forward. Jake is a good rider and very capable of putting a point on his current average so it could be Etheridge that is replaced later in the season,not sure if it is good for the team to have riders competing against each other though. At least they reached the last six of the cup.... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: Jake allen confirmed on a 4 week temp contract while we look for a heat leader My guess is he's found that 3rd heat leader but due to the lateness of the deal he's paying over the odds for him so they are going to use the cheaper allen for the cup matches and then bring in the née riders for the league campaign. And he will replace whoever was the worst between jye and allen Could averages come into play when changes are to happen again.This could scupper things,if things take longer than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: If they were prepared to pay Woffy for the home matches, and Dan for both home and away, I would presume they can afford it... They are a high calibre of rider. Would you pay, say tungate the same money as you would pay tai or Dan??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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