Belle Vue 2022

[enotian]

4 hours ago, gmuncie said:

If you are good enough you will organically get your shot at championship level though as proven by the fact that people have been able to come up with 1 name only for a young British rider who potentially should be in the championship.

People will only have been able to come up with one name of a young British rider who should be in the Championship because of the level of riders in the Championship. Just about all of the Premiership riders also ride in the Championship just spread across more teams.

Archie Freeman, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn, Harry & Sam McGurk, Alex Spooner, Jake Mulford, Joe Lawler, Tom Spencer, Sam Beebee, Elliot Kelly and Sam Hagon are all talented young riders who need to be competing with more experienced riders to help them progress.  

But most of them would properly struggle against the majority of the riders in the Championship and would potentially lose confidence as a result.  While the Championship is full of these Premiership standard riders there's no chance of them being given an opportunity. The problem is will the competitions they do ride in help them to progress to become Championship ready. I don't think so.  Writing off a whole batch of talented you kids.

[Diamonds85]

4 minutes ago, enotian said:

 

Archie Freeman, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn, Harry & Sam McGurk, Alex Spooner, Jake Mulford, Joe Lawler, Tom Spencer, Sam Beebee, Elliot Kelly and Sam Hagon

Two of which dont ride anymore, most of which aren't ready for the championship.

[Bagpuss]

Just now, Diamonds85 said:

Two of which dont ride anymore, most of which aren't ready for the championship.

But might be if the Champonship wasn't so strong? 

[Diamonds85]

Just now, Bagpuss said:

But might be if the Champonship wasn't so strong? 

Not disagreeing with you there, the championship clearly needs 'weakened' however, in the current state and the current team building rules, most of them riders would be way out of their depth, I saw that last year with Archie at Newcastle, he's probably done more lap of that track than anyone in the Championship and he rides it no problems, but he was just not ready at all. But if you weaken the league structure, fans will just complain and stop going. What really needs to happen is the top 3 or 4 teams from the Championship need to move up into a slightly watered down Premiership and the Championship needs to be 7 or 8 smaller clubs (Berwick, Newcastle, Scunthorpe etc...) who can bridge the gap between the NL and the PL. The whole sport needs a restructuring

[enotian]

14 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

Two of which dont ride anymore, most of which aren't ready for the championship.

aren't ready for the Championship because the standard is too high for a 2nd tier competition - is the point.

the fact that two have jacked it in also proves my point

They would be ready for a lower standard Championship.  You'd give a team spot to a 2.00 assessed rider if you thought they could average 3.00.  You wouldn't if you think they'll average 1.00.  The fact that they might only average 1.00 in the current Championship does not mean they are not capable riders it just means they're not up to the standard of the other riders in the league (most of whom are riding in two divisions so have much more income to invest in machinery) but could progress to a higher standard given opportunity. I don't think riding in the NDL offers these young riders the opportunity to progress as quickly as they would being in an environment with more experienced riders.  It's how it's always worked organically in the past but in the past young kids mostly weren't thrown into a league made up of top division riders. There way a clear career path for all but the exceptional kids.  2nd division reserve, progress to heat leader if not No1 status in that division and then get an opportunity in the top division.

[enotian]

33 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

What really needs to happen is the top 3 or 4 teams from the Championship need to move up into a slightly watered down Premiership and the Championship needs to be 7 or 8 smaller clubs (Berwick, Newcastle, Scunthorpe etc...) who can bridge the gap between the NL and the PL. The whole sport needs a restructuring

Correct. Some would complain but they're all complaining anyway about doubling up. Which is part of the reason that the restructure won't happen. Because the Premiership teams can afford their riders demands because they can ride in two divisions.  Take that away and they ask for more money. Meanwhile the likes of Poole and Glasgow get to spend money on top level heatleaders and the best riders on low averages to ensure they're always at the top of the Championship whilst others scrape around to complete their teams or go bust trying to compete, see Workington.

It's totally unsustainable for the majority of teams in the Championship hence the number of teams under the points limit who'll never be able to compete to the point that crowds will dwindle and they'll inevitably disappear.

Clubs need to exist within their own means and not to subsidise the top handful of teams.

[szkocjasid]

5 hours ago, enotian said:

aren't ready for the Championship because the standard is too high for a 2nd tier competition - is the point.

the fact that two have jacked it in also proves my point

They would be ready for a lower standard Championship.  You'd give a team spot to a 2.00 assessed rider if you thought they could average 3.00.  You wouldn't if you think they'll average 1.00.  The fact that they might only average 1.00 in the current Championship does not mean they are not capable riders it just means they're not up to the standard of the other riders in the league (most of whom are riding in two divisions so have much more income to invest in machinery) but could progress to a higher standard given opportunity. I don't think riding in the NDL offers these young riders the opportunity to progress as quickly as they would being in an environment with more experienced riders.  It's how it's always worked organically in the past but in the past young kids mostly weren't thrown into a league made up of top division riders. There way a clear career path for all but the exceptional kids.  2nd division reserve, progress to heat leader if not No1 status in that division and then get an opportunity in the top division.

You make a lot of good points there!

[szkocjasid]

6 hours ago, BuxtonTiger said:

Where do all the riders come from for one big league? Unless all riders ride for two teams, riding for the home team when they meet with the away team using R/R for the same rider.

6 man teams & NL riders at reserve

[foreverblue]

12 hours ago, BuxtonTiger said:

Where do all the riders come from for one big league? Unless all riders ride for two teams, riding for the home team when they meet with the away team using R/R for the same rider.

I think riders can be found, it wouldn't suit some riders as they would only have one wage. If all reserves were NL riders then maybe they could fill the void. 

 

 

[PhilTheAce]

Norrick blodorn granted visa and starts Monday. 

.so need just 1 rider now. 

 

At least some good news at the club 

[LisaColette]

Is there not a 2022 confirmed signings thread? How much do BV have for the last rider?

[Beowulf]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

Is there not a 2022 confirmed signings thread? How much do BV have for the last rider?

£10 and a bag of peanuts.

[Col]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

Is there not a 2022 confirmed signings thread? How much do BV have for the last rider?

I am assuming points limit is 42.5 as Sheffield team adds upto 42.37 if Mountain is 3.00 as RS rather than the 3.14 he attained, which if he was 3.14 takes Tigers to 42.51 according to my spreadsheet!

Fricke, Kurtz, Wright, Brennan (3.00?) & Etheridge leave 12.13 assuming Blodorn is 4.00, it leaves 8.13.

[LisaColette]

49 minutes ago, Beowulf said:

£10 and a bag of peanuts.

[Tinker]

16 hours ago, Diamonds85 said:

Not disagreeing with you there, the championship clearly needs 'weakened' however, in the current state and the current team building rules, most of them riders would be way out of their depth, I saw that last year with Archie at Newcastle, he's probably done more lap of that track than anyone in the Championship and he rides it no problems, but he was just not ready at all. But if you weaken the league structure, fans will just complain and stop going. What really needs to happen is the top 3 or 4 teams from the Championship need to move up into a slightly watered down Premiership and the Championship needs to be 7 or 8 smaller clubs (Berwick, Newcastle, Scunthorpe etc...) who can bridge the gap between the NL and the PL. The whole sport needs a restructuring

Couldn't agree more Diamonds85 re. three or four Championship teams moving up to the Premiership. Give them certain sweeteners, safeguards, protection etc. Would give the whole league system a much more balanced look and would go some way to giving the sport in this country a big shot in the arm. 

Imagine the likes of Belle Vue (Manchester), Glasgow, Edinburgh Sheffield and Oxford (all cities) battling it out in league action on our TV screens. This would surely give the promoters something to promote and the teams involved would resonate more with the press, Eurosport etc. 

Those teams remaining in the Championship would not have to spend spend spend to keep up with the more wealthier clubs and owing to reduced costs (hopefully), this could encourage more teams to join the league in the future.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

39 minutes ago, Col said:

I am assuming points limit is 42.5 as Sheffield team adds upto 42.37 if Mountain is 3.00 as RS rather than the 3.14 he attained, which if he was 3.14 takes Tigers to 42.51 according to my spreadsheet!

Fricke, Kurtz, Wright, Brennan (3.00?) & Etheridge leave 12.13 assuming Blodorn is 4.00, it leaves 8.13.

The RS average is not included in the team building total

[tocha]

51 minutes ago, Col said:

I am assuming points limit is 42.5 as Sheffield team adds upto 42.37 if Mountain is 3.00 as RS rather than the 3.14 he attained, which if he was 3.14 takes Tigers to 42.51 according to my spreadsheet!

Fricke, Kurtz, Wright, Brennan (3.00?) & Etheridge leave 12.13 assuming Blodorn is 4.00, it leaves 8.13.

Points limit is 39 for 6 riders plus rising star.

[Col]

Then Ace's have 7.63 for final rider if Blodorn is 4.00.

Sheffield's six come to 39.37?

Edited March 24, 2022 by Col

[mikebv]

37 minutes ago, Tinker said:

Couldn't agree more Diamonds85 re. three or four Championship teams moving up to the Premiership. Give them certain sweeteners, safeguards, protection etc. Would give the whole league system a much more balanced look and would go some way to giving the sport in this country a big shot in the arm. 

Imagine the likes of Belle Vue (Manchester), Glasgow, Edinburgh Sheffield and Oxford (all cities) battling it out in league action on our TV screens. This would surely give the promoters something to promote and the teams involved would resonate more with the press, Eurosport etc. 

Those teams remaining in the Championship would not have to spend spend spend to keep up with the more wealthier clubs and owing to reduced costs (hopefully), this could encourage more teams to join the league in the future.

Riders need two leagues to race in, and 2nd Div clubs (and their fans) are now used to having plenty of Div One riders making up their teams.. 

Why go up to Div One, (stretching out the TV money pot), having to pay out money to "top riders", when you can run with "the next level of rider down" who are happy to take what you offer as they have two jobs? 

The sport is now pretty much in the grip of the Div 2 clubs who have the best of both worlds. Decent Div One standard riders and not having to follow the RS programme at the bottom end..

I would doubt too many Div 2 clubs would want to change the current way the sport is ran...

[Tinker]

30 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Riders need two leagues to race in, and 2nd Div clubs (and their fans) are now used to having plenty of Div One riders making up their teams.. 

Why go up to Div One, (stretching out the TV money pot), having to pay out money to "top riders", when you can run with "the next level of rider down" who are happy to take what you offer as they have two jobs? 

The sport is now pretty much in the grip of the Div 2 clubs who have the best of both worlds. Decent Div One standard riders and not having to follow the RS programme at the bottom end..

I would doubt too many Div 2 clubs would want to change the current way the sport is ran...

Maybe a revised deal from Eurosport to ensure it's financially worth it moving up to the Premiership. Eurosport would benefit too because there would be bigger names/teams to promote and hopefully a return to these shores of GP riders etc.

A six team Premiership is a touch laughable in some respects and something needs to change sooner rather than later to maintain interest levels. As mentioned earlier, I also think a cheaper to run Championship (without the wealthier teams) would encourage new tracks to join. More tracks means more opportunities for young riders to learn their trade.