mikebv Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Plus he is two years older i believe. It could be a big year for a lot of the rising stars. Especially those RS's in Div 2 who will be getting that crucial opportunity to use that so important 'stepping stone' to see if they can make that jump into 2nd tier racing from a more junior level, before possibly moving on to bigger things... Oh, hang on a minute..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 58 minutes ago, M.D said: Tom's the better rider with more potential, and an Eagle at heart... Tom's a really tough lad and remarkable how he came back from injuries especially his broken leg when he had to be put in an induced coma for a week. But hey let's hope the discussion whos best between him and Jordon keeps going and going to the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 8:42 AM, hyderd said: All this crap about "should of kept Steve " A lot of Belle Vue fans and fans from other teams were saying that Steve had gone stale/ was having a crap season etc etc. Some even said Steve would benefit from a season away from Belle Vue, This has happened and now it's all M L fault ?. If the 3 teams who can't/won't be named, had voted to allow British riders back/ ending the 2 team rule in Poland, then Belle Vue would not be in the position they are in now. British speedway is in the mess NOT JUST BELLE VUE. Last season most fans had P/Bora down for the wooden spoon, wrong AGAIN. Also, don't forget that Bewley could have chosen to ride in Poland and GB, but decided to reject the Premiership ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickH114 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 Doesn’t look like either Klindt or Zagar are the missing rider as they would of been announced last night, can it only be either Bjerre, Tungate or Lebedevs now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, NickH114 said: Doesn’t look like either Klindt or Zagar are the missing rider as they would of been announced last night, can it only be either Bjerre, Tungate or Lebedevs now? The Aces fans would hope its Kenny I would think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: Also, don't forget that Bewley could have chosen to ride in Poland and GB, but decided to reject the Premiership ... I expect he is riding where the money is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, gazzac said: Tom's a really tough lad and remarkable how he came back from injuries especially his broken leg when he had to be put in an induced coma for a week. But hey let's hope the discussion whos best between him and Jordon keeps going and going to the top. I think there are other rising stars that could surprise a few this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Especially those RS's in Div 2 who will be getting that crucial opportunity to use that so important 'stepping stone' to see if they can make that jump into 2nd tier racing from a more junior level, before possibly moving on to bigger things... Oh, hang on a minute..... There’s absolutely zero need for the rising star rule in the championship young riders if good enough get their chance anyway. A quick look through the lineups would confirm that can’t really think of a single young British rider who is realistically championship standard and wanted a ride that doesn’t have one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, gmuncie said: There’s absolutely zero need for the rising star rule in the championship young riders if good enough get their chance anyway. A quick look through the lineups would confirm that can’t really think of a single young British rider who is realistically championship standard and wanted a ride that doesn’t have one Only real name you could say is Jake Mulford, but then again, is he doing speedway at all next year? Being only King's Lynn's number 8 is a bit strange to me? Unless Armadale name him, he's not gonna be in the NL and Birmingham/Plymouth would be terrible if they signed him as their last rider... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Diamonds85 said: Only real name you could say is Jake Mulford, but then again, is he doing speedway at all next year? Being only King's Lynn's number 8 is a bit strange to me? Unless Armadale name him, he's not gonna be in the NL and Birmingham/Plymouth would be terrible if they signed him as their last rider... I don't believe that Jake didn't get offered opportunities at NL and CL level but clearly terms couldn't be agreed. Now looks out in the cold after a very brief burst of flame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I don't believe that Jake didn't get offered opportunities at NL and CL level but clearly terms couldn't be agreed. Now looks out in the cold after a very brief burst of flame. I'm sure in the unfortunate but likely chances of injuries occurring in the NL, he'll be snapped up. Real shame because he looked to have loads of potential, was he asking too much? Edited March 22, 2022 by Diamonds85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, gmuncie said: There’s absolutely zero need for the rising star rule in the championship young riders if good enough get their chance anyway. A quick look through the lineups would confirm that can’t really think of a single young British rider who is realistically championship standard and wanted a ride that doesn’t have one Put simply, the 2nd Div is too strong.. There is every need for that league to be the stepping stone to the top level in this country, and giving those NL heat leaders a chance at reserve.. Unfortunately the 2nd tier rules the roost and gets the best of both worlds, ie Div One heat leaders and experienced reserves... Without the cost of paying out for the riders the level of Doyle, Fricke etc.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 13 hours ago, gmuncie said: There’s absolutely zero need for the rising star rule in the championship young riders if good enough get their chance anyway. A quick look through the lineups would confirm that can’t really think of a single young British rider who is realistically championship standard and wanted a ride that doesn’t have one You could also add that there are zero new British riders into the CL this year. Potentially Ablitt but he had been signed to Eastbourne before it went belly up. The plan was a long term conveyor belt offering chances to graduating riders instead its back to the usual with overseas untried imports and no vision of a long term plan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 I forsee Iversen, Bjerre and Kildemand riding for both Belle Vue and Kings Lynn at various times, on one-month contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Big Al said: I forsee Iversen, Bjerre and Kildemand riding for both Belle Vue and Kings Lynn at various times, on one-month contracts. That would mean speedway has morphed from a sport into a comedy show….. mind you I think it did that doubling on leagues and deciding the premier champion may not be the team that topped the league final standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: You could also add that there are zero new British riders into the CL this year. Potentially Ablitt but he had been signed to Eastbourne before it went belly up. The plan was a long term conveyor belt offering chances to graduating riders instead its back to the usual with overseas untried imports and no vision of a long term plan. And rode for the Eagles, I believe, after they dropped Edwards 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 The leagues are a balance of need over expenditure. Doubling up gives the promoters a way of paying riders less and also having enough riders to go round. Unless they can get away from this cycle then the 2 leagues will remain almost the same with the addition of a ‘star’ introduction. Mind it was like that 50 years ago in the top league as I recall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: That would mean speedway has morphed from a sport into a comedy show….. mind you I think it did that doubling on leagues and deciding the premier champion may not be the team that topped the league final standings. Musical chairs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: You could also add that there are zero new British riders into the CL this year. Potentially Ablitt but he had been signed to Eastbourne before it went belly up. The plan was a long term conveyor belt offering chances to graduating riders instead its back to the usual with overseas untried imports and no vision of a long term plan. 4 out of the 77 riders in the Championship this year are new foreign imports hardly a worrying number I’d say. 14 hours ago, mikebv said: Put simply, the 2nd Div is too strong.. There is every need for that league to be the stepping stone to the top level in this country, and giving those NL heat leaders a chance at reserve.. Unfortunately the 2nd tier rules the roost and gets the best of both worlds, ie Div One heat leaders and experienced reserves... Without the cost of paying out for the riders the level of Doyle, Fricke etc.. I would counter argue that the problem is that the top league is to weak rather than the championship to strong. There is a reason that many teams that could move up don’t or that those that move down stick around. The Championship imo is the best product in the UK each team has a mix of experience and youth. Geographically it’s mixed, race nights it’s mixed and the majority of innovation seems to come at championship level also. as for a ‘stepping stone’ if you include the no8’s then out of the 47 named riders so far in the Premiership 43 rode in the Championship before moving up / doubling up including Doyle, Fricke so I’d say the Championship does a pretty good job of finding and developing talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, gmuncie said: 4 out of the 77 riders in the Championship this year are new foreign imports hardly a worrying number I’d say. I would counter argue that the problem is that the top league is to weak rather than the championship to strong. There is a reason that many teams that could move up don’t or that those that move down stick around. The Championship imo is the best product in the UK each team has a mix of experience and youth. Geographically it’s mixed, race nights it’s mixed and the majority of innovation seems to come at championship level also. as for a ‘stepping stone’ if you include the no8’s then out of the 47 named riders so far in the Premiership 43 rode in the Championship before moving up / doubling up including Doyle, Fricke so I’d say the Championship does a pretty good job of finding and developing talent. Imports will always happen but the worrying figure is no new Brits into the CL this year. How could the PL get any stronger? It is a financial struggle as it is. Unless Sweden goes pop and riders want to return the level will maintain but at least the calibre of riders is closer. The spread of rider levels in the CL from top to bottom has been vast for the past few seasons. Its only closed up a bit this year as the lack of heat leaders available means that the reserves signed by most teams are 4ish pointers rather than 2.00 making it more of a closed shop and harder to break in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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