Daniel Smith Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 If rider's were allowed to pick & choose where they ride, Ipswich & Wolverhampton fixtures would be pretty tough to fulfil as they're not enjoyable places to go as an away rider by choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 Might seem extreme but Fricke, Kurtz, Wright & Brennan all signed, I'd get on the phone to zee germans and see if Smolinksi fancied coming over with Blodorn then moving for Jake Allen to complete the Septet 1. Fricke 2. Allen 3. Smolinksi 4. Wright 5. Kurtz 6. Blodorn 7. Brennan Might not be as thrilling as a Tai but think it could finish top 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, SUPERACE said: That doesn't make sense. You can want change and not be happy with the said change. Sounds a bit moany to me! If they wanted them out and now they are they should be happy no? Got what they wanted. But then if they knew who was available would they want the original change not to be changed after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: My view is most teams have fans who turn up however their team is doing, what you are saying is more Belle Vue fans turn up than most. It is certainly true success helps attendances and I believe a different team manager would help you in that regard. Maybe, but let's be honest... A 'successful team' still wont generate even another (in reality) low number of 500 or so every week, (500 though being a huge % increase amazingly), as has been proven at most tracks.... The play off system seems to prevent incremental growth throughout a successful season, but does give a higher than usual (but still not massive), attendance in the 'semi', and a minimum 100% increase, (or maybe more?) of a usual attendance in the final.. The Aces have been "successful" in the main since going to the NSS and attendances are week on week not much different whether doing well or not... The sport is pretty much down to die hards who will rock up to watch it in whatever guise it is, no matter how 'their team' is doing.. And, ironically, as long as your die hards stay with you, a 'poor season' might actually be better financially... Edited January 8, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, mikebv said: Maybe, but let's be honest... A 'successful team' still wont generate even another (in reality) low number of 500 or so every week, (500 though being a huge % increase amazingly), as has been proven at most tracks.... The play off system seems to prevent incremental growth throughout a successful season, but does give a higher than usual (but still not massive), attendance in the 'semi', and a minimum 100% increase, (or maybe more?) of a usual attendance in the final.. The Aces have been "successful" in the main since going to the NSS and attendances are week on week not much different whether doing well or not... The sport is pretty much down to die hards who will rock up to watch it in whatever guise it is, no matter how 'their team' is doing.. And, ironically, as long as your die hards stay with you, a 'poor season' might actually be better financially... I think your amazing track has a lot to do with crowd sizes, play offs make a big difference at most clubs and is a money spinner for the clubs involved. I have been to many play offs and went to Peterborough for the final as I was working in the area at the time and most would tell you it wasn't the normal crowd size. I don't think play offs are the problem and are usually fantastic race meetings, obviously I realise not so fantastic for Belle Vue fans! I don't know the answer but I don't think that the sport needs to encourage younger fans somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 5 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Putting it like that. Probably yes In reality this was all an elaborate dream and you belle Vue fans have just woke up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisdonnelly Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Yes but not as ruthless as they used to be, but every team has sacked riders at some stage. My point still stands though, a few BV fans wanted the Worrall's out, so now they are, they should be happy with whatever the team is right? After witnessing richie’s reaction at Peterborough being pulled out of his final ride I never expected him to resign, hope to see him back in the future. Steve definitely needs time away, had some good meetings this season but when it comes to crunch time has not delivered. He knows it and I think has looked elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Chrisdonnelly said: After witnessing richie’s reaction at Peterborough being pulled out of his final ride I never expected him to resign, hope to see him back in the future. Steve definitely needs time away, had some good meetings this season but when it comes to crunch time has not delivered. He knows it and I think has looked elsewhere. You could say that about a couple of riders in the final, to me it looked like Peterborough wanted it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Wolfie456 said: In reality this was all an elaborate dream and you belle Vue fans have just woke up Wasn't really a dream because he wanted to come, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, foreverblue said: You could say that about a couple of riders in the final, to me it looked like Peterborough wanted it more. 100% this, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) A shame if Tai doesnt ride over here as it would be a huge plus for the sport in the UK having his name attached to it.. If it is true he only wanted to ride home matches only, then surely a way could have been found to allow that to happen.. Just use guests or RR away from home.... As, lets face it, its not as if such contrived, "let's just make it up", situations are uncommon in UK Speedway is it? The facility is there so use it. It may make the league a bit less credible but not too much less credible than it already is I would suggest.. It would also only mean paying out for one meeting, not two, out of the attendance income, which maybe would have made it all viable to do... And possibly could have been a trailblazer for other top riders to do the same. ie just ride their respective teams' home matches... Having Tai (and possibly others of his level at every track in the top league) would have a far greater positive impact to the sports attendances I would say than any increases brought by any team actually winning any title... Edited January 9, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, mikebv said: A shame if Tai doesnt ride over here as it would be a huge plus for the sport in the UK having his name attached to it.. If it is true he only wanted to ride home matches only, then surely a way could have been found to allow that to happen.. Just use guests or RR away from home.... As, lets face it, its not as if such contrived, "let's just make it up", situations are uncommon in UK Speedway is it? The facility is there so use it. It may make the league a bit less credible but not too much less credible than it already is I would suggest.. It would also only mean paying out for one meeting, not two, out of the attendance income, which maybe would have made it all viable to do... And possibly could have been a trailblazer for other top riders to do the same. ie just ride their respective teams' home matches... Having Tai (and possibly others of his level at every track in the top league) would have a far greater positive impact to the sports attendances I would say than any increases brought by any team actually winning any title... You can't sign a rider who only wants to ride home matches jts an absolute non starter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) If another rider agreed to do the away ones, I wonder if they would sanction it? A while ago they had doubling up riders sharing one of the reserve positions, so why not do it in the no1 position? *no idea what Tai's average is* Edited January 9, 2022 by lisa-colette 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: You can't sign a rider who only wants to ride home matches jts an absolute non starter. You could if they all did it... And I would suggest it is an ideal way of making it affordable given you only pay out for the one meeting to the "superstar", and then pay out "normal money" for guests or RR away from home... Speedway (in the UK), due to the way it is operated, isnt like other professional sports where winning a trophy can actually mean something, (eg financial reward, brand image reputation and kudos, and publicity for sponsors etc etc) so it should just market itself well enough to try and bring in increased crowds any way shape it can to build a better future.. Getting each team with a "superstar" would be a good start to this aim.. Edited January 9, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 16 hours ago, 847084 said: Ivan Mauger did a season for Exeter only riding in the home meetings: so it has been done before. What season did that happen.Don’t think that is the case,stand corrected if wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Fromafar said: What season did that happen.Don’t think that is the case,stand corrected if wrong. 1984. He came back to ride for Exeter, but only rode in home meetings.. Edited January 9, 2022 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: 1984. He came back to ride for Exeter, but only rode in home meetings.. Thanks,apologises I stand corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Thanks,apologises I stand corrected. Not sure if he did a full season as he had been retired for a couple of years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not sure if he did a full season as he had been retired for a couple of years.. He rode 23 matches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Perhaps Tai could ride all home meetings for Wolves on a Monday.... and then all Belle Vue home meetings on a Thursday.... it could be called 'doubling up' to help the BSPA (L) to maintain the sports integrity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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