NSS1 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I've heard that fricke / zagar/ bjerre are to replace bewley maybe 1 or more of them don't tell duckbill he will claim all the glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Poole have won the Championship. Do you believe me? Have or will? You're not very good at this are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 10/31/2021 at 10:05 PM, tellboy said: Blimey, long way to travel every week.Thought it would be easier on the body and mind just to fly rather than travel by road and ferry. Most riders fly where appropriate - the mechanics by road/ferry is not done in a rush with plenty of time for rest. - some do fly if the equipment is already in situ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckbill Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 21 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Yes. If you're going to start wetting yourself thinking you're "in the know", you've got to come up with better information than something we've all been discussing for weeks, that's 99.9% certain to happen, and is just awaiting official confirmation. If anyone wants to impress us with inside knowledge, tell us which teams will be in which leagues for 2022 and the points limits (yes, these things have already been discussed in several pre-AGM meetings. So the info is out there if you're "in the know"). Wasn't trying to "impress" anyone. I was only saying what I knew to be true. As far as teams/leagues for 2022 I really couldn't give a flying $hite. I had never been to a speedway meeting until Dan started racing, then again I had never been to a MX meeting until young Bewley started riding KTM autos when he was six yrs old. There really are some bitter individuals who think if they don't know something nobody else could possibly know. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I can understand a young rider wanting to improve and earn good money but I disappointed but unsurprised that Bewley has deserted BV and British speedway. His decision and many other top riders who have left the UK shows how far British speedway has gone downhill. The sport is in a pathetic bankrupt state run by a useless bunch. I can see why he prefers Poland for the big money BUT Sweden NO! BV signed him back in 2015 and gave him the chance in the sport and the BV fans supported him when he had his big crash and I would have expected some loyalty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 He has been loyal to you since 2016. The lad deserves the break and to progress his career as far as possible. Imagine you were working in an organisation who's business plan was running that organisation to the point of bankruptcy while paying you less than you could earn elsewhere and also restricting your development because you weren't working with the best in the industry. If the opportunity came up for you to move somewhere that were forward thinking, paying better wages while also offering more development would you stay under some misguided sense of loyalty? I wish Dan all the best hopefully he'll be back one day but that is really down to the BSPL to sort the mess out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 One assumes he will base himself in Poland now in which case there are umpteen reasons to race in Sweden and not the UK. Its a shame but more a reflection of the state of things over here than anything else, and it will continue to happen unless the BSPL seriously pulls its socks up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: He has been loyal to you since 2016. The lad deserves the break and to progress his career as far as possible. Imagine you were working in an organisation who's business plan was running that organisation to the point of bankruptcy while paying you less than you could earn elsewhere and also restricting your development because you weren't working with the best in the industry. If the opportunity came up for you to move somewhere that were forward thinking, paying better wages while also offering more development would you stay under some misguided sense of loyalty? I wish Dan all the best hopefully he'll be back one day but that is really down to the BSPL to sort the mess out. I agree with you but really very disappointed with the way things are with speedway and at BV now. We was a one man team and now we’ll probably be wooden spoon fodder. Lemon and the management don’t know what they are doing and should have paid Dan more money to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Speedtiger said: I agree with you but really very disappointed with the way things are with speedway and at BV now. We was a one man team and now we’ll probably be wooden spoon fodder. Lemon and the management don’t know what they are doing and should have paid Dan more money to stay. Money and logistics riding in Sweden, sponsors, opposition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Speedtiger said: I agree with you but really very disappointed with the way things are with speedway and at BV now. We was a one man team and now we’ll probably be wooden spoon fodder. Lemon and the management don’t know what they are doing and should have paid Dan more money to stay. British Speedway simply can't afford the kind of figures required to compete. Poland & Sweden means one set of bikes that can be driven between the two, Poland and UK means two sets of bikes and thats without all the other odds and ends. It would take Belle Vue approx £40-50k at the start of the season just to be on level terms with Sweden and thats before points money, sponsorship, opposition, travelling etc. No clubs should be breaking the bank to keep riders, the UK has to accept that its a training ground now for the other continental leagues and retirement home for the sports aging stars. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: British Speedway simply can't afford the kind of figures required to compete. Poland & Sweden means one set of bikes that can be driven between the two, Poland and UK means two sets of bikes and thats without all the other odds and ends. It would take Belle Vue approx £40-50k at the start of the season just to be on level terms with Sweden and thats before points money, sponsorship, opposition, travelling etc. No clubs should be breaking the bank to keep riders, the UK has to accept that its a training ground now for the other continental leagues and retirement home for the sports aging stars. Yes accept all that but loosing quality riders will be the final nail in the British speedway coffin. Actually the sport in the UK is as good as dead now. The clueless clowns running clubs and speedway are to blame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: Yes accept all that but loosing quality riders will be the final nail in the British speedway coffin. Actually the sport in the UK is as good as dead now. The clueless clowns running clubs and speedway are to blame. The vast problem with the current running of the sport is that the promotions are only looking after their own business interests rather than being custodians of the sport. Yes you are right the nails have been firmly banged in and the sport in Britain continues to focus on today and the top tiers. The NDL has been destroyed and yet so many of the now top flight riders came through that route. Until the UK can produce riders of a good standard there will be nothing left, being able to keep them racing in Britain may prove more difficult but not impossible. Plans for the next 10 years plus are needed but most promotions aren't likely to even still be involved in that timescale so why do they care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Good points BUT the people running the show can not think 10 minutes ahead let alone 10 years. I fear they’ll be more clubs going to the wall this winter, promoters can’t not keep loosing money season after season and financially supporting clubs just for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 We now have the top 3 British riders all riding in Europe and not available for Britain all because of the Polish extra league rule of two clubs only. in the past many riders have ridden in GB , Poland and Sweden….. I wish Dan all the best even though I am gutted that he is missing…. For me he is the most talented British rider since Peter Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 hours ago, Bagpuss said: One assumes he will base himself in Poland now in which case there are umpteen reasons to race in Sweden and not the UK. Its a shame but more a reflection of the state of things over here than anything else, and it will continue to happen unless the BSPL seriously pulls its socks up. Wonder if Steve Lawson will help another young rider. So much experience and a lot to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Speedtiger said: Good points BUT the people running the show can not think 10 minutes ahead let alone 10 years. I fear they’ll be more clubs going to the wall this winter, promoters can’t not keep loosing money season after season and financially supporting clubs just for fun. He fears more clubs going to the wall through promoters losing money. Yet just 2 posts (and less than an hour) earlier he recommends paying Bewley more money to avoid the wooden spoon. His accusing others of not being able to think 10 minutes ahead broke my irony meter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, PotteringAround said: He fears more clubs going to the wall through promoters losing money. Yet just 2 posts (and less than an hour) earlier he recommends paying Bewley more money to avoid the wooden spoon. His accusing others of not being able to think 10 minutes ahead broke my irony meter I don’t want bv to loose Bewley as this would badly effect the team and support for the club. Things are clearly precarious at many clubs. So are you ok with the way things are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 10 hours ago, topaz325 said: Money and logistics riding in Sweden, sponsors, opposition. But apart from that....? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: British Speedway simply can't afford the kind of figures required to compete. Poland & Sweden means one set of bikes that can be driven between the two, Poland and UK means two sets of bikes and thats without all the other odds and ends. It would take Belle Vue approx £40-50k at the start of the season just to be on level terms with Sweden and thats before points money, sponsorship, opposition, travelling etc. No clubs should be breaking the bank to keep riders, the UK has to accept that its a training ground now for the other continental leagues and retirement home for the sports aging stars. 100% correct but sadly it seems it is only now realised that they are a training ground and a 'rest home'.... It was obvious to a great many several years ago though how it was going, and instead of accepting it and building their own plan around it, the UK still tried to pretend it was relevant on a world stage and changed fixture lists to suit riders, and paid out more than was coming in to afford them, and neglected to follow any clear development pathway for riders to improve... The current situation of 'not enough riders' and therefore zero credibility for the sport, and therefore zero major sponsorship, didn't happen overnight, but was a clear 'end game' for a good many years if they carried on doing the same thing ad infinitum... Dan owes the UK nothing, especially given it was his then Polish team who paid for his treatment from his major injury.... Let's hope it all works out for him... The heavily invested in U24 League in Poland will also help develop a few of our lads too I would think... Edited November 5, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: The vast problem with the current running of the sport is that the promotions are only looking after their own business interests rather than being custodians of the sport. Yes you are right the nails have been firmly banged in and the sport in Britain continues to focus on today and the top tiers. The NDL has been destroyed and yet so many of the now top flight riders came through that route. Until the UK can produce riders of a good standard there will be nothing left, being able to keep them racing in Britain may prove more difficult but not impossible. Plans for the next 10 years plus are needed but most promotions aren't likely to even still be involved in that timescale so why do they care. Again, as clear as day... Hardly anyone cares who wins any Speedway title in the UK due to the ludicrous way it can be attained.. Yet promoters will try and out do each other in all sorts of ways in a desperate bid to win one... Rather than focusing on how to make their competitions credible and actually worth winning in the eyes of the many who no longer go but still follow the sport closely,... And also focusing on how to ensure all have a decent crack at winning one of those titles... Say 18 teams come to the table next season... It would be far better for the sport to have all 18 running in front 500 punters extra each meeting, due to racing on the best night for each track to get their best crowd in, and the entertainment and closeness of the racing on view, as that would grow the sport by 9000 punters each week... No matter which individual clubs win either title they could never hope to grow their crowds by 9,000 on any week, and it would be very doubtful if they could grow their crowds by 9,000 over the whole year.... Edited November 5, 2021 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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