GRAND PRIX CHALLENGE

[Triple.H.]

On 6/11/2022 at 5:47 PM, Fromafar said:

 Don’t think present GP riders should be allowed in Challenge qualifiers.Think the GP challenge needs a re-jig.( for instance)Think the Top 6  Challenge Final should meet the bottom 6 in Gp standings for places next year.( or something different). Present GP riders should should not get 2 chances.To Cosy.That would still leave places for wild Cards

I've been saying for years along the lines of the next 6 or 8 in GP meet the qualifiers.

[Fromafar]

28 minutes ago, Triple.H. said:

I've been saying for years along the lines of the next 6 or 8 in GP meet the qualifiers.

These Gp riders are spoiling the qualifiers,finishing 5th with 3 Gp men in Top 3 is no what the Qualifiers it is about.IMo

Edited June 14, 2022 by Fromafar

[stevehone]

44 minutes ago, Triple.H. said:

I've been saying for years along the lines of the next 6 or 8 in GP meet the qualifiers.

used to happen didn't it?

[emilali]

Apologies if this has already been posted and answered elsewhere but does anybody know if the tickets for the GP challenge at Glasgow have been released yet? If not, any idea when and where they are to be released? Thanks.

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, emilali said:

Apologies if this has already been posted and answered elsewhere but does anybody know if the tickets for the GP challenge at Glasgow have been released yet? If not, any idea when and where they are to be released? Thanks.

Just keep an eye on here https://glasgowtigers.ticketline.co.uk/glasgow-tigers-speedway#bio   not on sale yet. You could also send them a message asking them when they think they will go on sale https://glasgowtigers.co.uk/contact/

[bruno]

I'd have thought this would be a good meeting to stream, BSN?

[emilali]

2 hours ago, racers and royals said:

Just keep an eye on here https://glasgowtigers.ticketline.co.uk/glasgow-tigers-speedway#bio   not on sale yet. You could also send them a message asking them when they think they will go on sale https://glasgowtigers.co.uk/contact/

Thanks Racers.

[Welwyn]

How about?

Top 6 through.

7-14 join 8 qualifiers in the GP Challenge. 15th misses completely.

Top 6 in GP Challenge Qualify.

Leaves 3 spots:

1 goes to SEC Champ.

2 Wildcards (allows for covering riders who get injured and end up in 15th or miss the Challenge as a result).

Edited June 15, 2022 by Welwyn

[customhouseregular]

Once upon a time nobody got seeded. Everyone from the World Champion down started the next year from scratch. Didn’t stop Mauger winning 6, Fundin winning 5 or Briggs winning 4.

[iris123]

17 minutes ago, customhouseregular said:

Once upon a time nobody got seeded. Everyone from the World Champion down started the next year from scratch. Didn’t stop Mauger winning 6, Fundin winning 5 or Briggs winning 4.

You'll have to point out which quali meetings Briggo rode in ,in 1958 

I also am finding it difficult to find Fundin in the Nordic, Continental or European Finals in 1957

Edited June 15, 2022 by iris123

[waiheke1]

26 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You'll have to point out which quali meetings Briggo rode in ,in 1958 

I also am finding it difficult to find Fundin in the Nordic, Continental or European Finals in 1957

Or Peter Collins in the British final in 77...or penhall in the American final in 85...or the years there was no rider from the host country in the world final...

[Lorenzo558]

2 hours ago, Welwyn said:

How about?

Top 6 through.

7-14 join 8 qualifiers in the GP Challenge. 15th misses completely.

Top 6 in GP Challenge Qualify.

Leaves 3 spots:

1 goes to SEC Champ.

2 Wildcards (allows for covering riders who get injured and end up in 15th or miss the Challenge as a result).

Love this. GP Challenge deserve to be a bigger thing, it is a massive part of our season and the fact that it oftentimes have gotten overlooked and not even been broadcasted is a disgrace.

[chunky]

2 hours ago, iris123 said:

You'll have to point out which quali meetings Briggo rode in ,in 1958 

I also am finding it difficult to find Fundin in the Nordic, Continental or European Finals in 1957

I'm sure Olsen was the same one year?

Plus riders were seeded to different stages of their own qualifying rounds too...

It annoys me when I hear people complain about the top guys being "seeded" these days. They are NOT seeded. They have to qualify by competing against the world's top riders for a whole GP season the previous year.

[customhouseregular]

2 hours ago, iris123 said:

You'll have to point out which quali meetings Briggo rode in ,in 1958 

I also am finding it difficult to find Fundin in the Nordic, Continental or European Finals in 1957

OK..I admit my interest and experience of WC speedway started in the early 60’s, but if anyone was seeded from that time I apologise for my error.

 

 

[customhouseregular]

2 hours ago, iris123 said:

You'll have to point out which quali meetings Briggo rode in ,in 1958 

I also am finding it difficult to find Fundin in the Nordic, Continental or European Finals in 1957

My experience of WC speedway started in the early 60’s. If any rider was seeded from then I apologise for my error.

[chunky]

41 minutes ago, customhouseregular said:

My experience of WC speedway started in the early 60’s. If any rider was seeded from then I apologise for my error.

Several times, Ole Olsen was seeded directly to the Nordic Final, and a couple of times, he reached the World Final after riding in only two meetings.

[customhouseregular]

1 hour ago, chunky said:

I'm sure Olsen was the same one year?

Plus riders were seeded to different stages of their own qualifying rounds too...

It annoys me when I hear people complain about the top guys being "seeded" these days. They are NOT seeded. They have to qualify by competing against the world's top riders for a whole GP season the previous year.

I think the point I am trying is make is being missed. Unless I am wrong no rider in say 1966 could become WC without qualifying from at least one meeting in 1966. I don’t remember Bjorn Knutsson being seeded to the 1966 final as reigning champion. In essence the GP’s are a World Final spread over a series of rounds. Without the Russian ban Laguta would have been in this year’s WF series, not having had to qualify this year. Therefore Mauger, Fundin and Briggs were at a disadvantage in the 60’s and 70’s compared to Laguta, Hancock and Woffinden. Under the GP system riders are seeded on the basis of the previous year. The previous generation were not. 

[customhouseregular]

9 minutes ago, customhouseregular said:

I think the point I am trying is make is being missed. Unless I am wrong no rider in say 1966 could become WC without qualifying from at least one meeting in 1966. I don’t remember Bjorn Knutsson being seeded to the 1966 final as reigning champion. In essence the GP’s are a World Final spread over a series of rounds. Without the Russian ban Laguta would have been in this year’s WF series, not having had to qualify this year. Therefore Mauger, Fundin and Briggs were at a disadvantage in the 60’s and 70’s compared to Laguta, Hancock and Woffinden. Under the GP system riders are seeded on the basis of the previous year. The previous generation were not. 

To summarise… I believe at the end of the series every rider should have to qualify for a next series. We may end up with a completely different field, but Mauger, Fundin and Briggs proved the best will usually come through.

[chunky]

10 minutes ago, customhouseregular said:

I think the point I am trying is make is being missed. Unless I am wrong no rider in say 1966 could become WC without qualifying from at least one meeting in 1966. I don’t remember Bjorn Knutsson being seeded to the 1966 final as reigning champion. In essence the GP’s are a World Final spread over a series of rounds. Without the Russian ban Laguta would have been in this year’s WF series, not having had to qualify this year. Therefore Mauger, Fundin and Briggs were at a disadvantage in the 60’s and 70’s compared to Laguta, Hancock and Woffinden. Under the GP system riders are seeded on the basis of the previous year. The previous generation were not. 

No. "Seeding" is qualifying without competing, which is NOT what the GP riders do. They qualify from their performances the previous year, which is by far the hardest means of qualification, particularly for riders like Lambert, Fricke, and Thomsen. They are up against the very best the sport has to offer several times a year. Coming through a handful of qualifying meetings against mediocre riders is a lot easier than QUALIFYING from the GP's themselves.

[customhouseregular]

2 minutes ago, chunky said:

No. "Seeding" is qualifying without competing, which is NOT what the GP riders do. They qualify from their performances the previous year, which is by far the hardest means of qualification, particularly for riders like Lambert, Fricke, and Thomsen. They are up against the very best the sport has to offer several times a year. Coming through a handful of qualifying meetings against mediocre riders is a lot easier than QUALIFYING from the GP's themselves.

Let’s agree to differ shall we?.