SPEEDY69 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 Nothing wrong with the track last night Panthers were passing inside and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 Well done pussy cats, finished top and best team in play offs. What a season for you guys. Fuming with us though. Especially lemon. Heat 6 is baffling me and will do till my last breathe. Bewley and brennan thank you for at least showing up and trying. Rest were bullied far to easy on track for my liking. Having said that we did very well to get to a final with this team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Well done pussy cats, finished top and best team in play offs. What a season for you guys. Fuming with us though. Especially lemon. Heat 6 is baffling me and will do till my last breathe. Bewley and brennan thank you for at least showing up and trying. Rest were bullied far to easy on track for my liking. Having said that we did very well to get to a final with this team. Agreed, Belle Vue fans round us were livid with it. Having your reserves against our 1&5 was very generous. But Bomber tried giving you a helping hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 How many finals have Vue lost since their last win in 93? Fantastic atmosphere and advert for British speedway. Big crowd..and Madchester Mexicans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 I thought the two finals were a superb advert for the sport with two very good teams going at it for the full 30 heats, both tracks produced good racing and their cannot be any doubt that the best team won the title. The Panthers were written off by pretty much everyone at the start of the season but they showed good form throughout the campaign and carried on winning pretty much everywhere, apart from a few guests we finished the season with the same 1-7 we started with, we had a few injuries and attempts were made to change things but as per usual we got little if any help from the sports administrators which of course makes our success even sweeter. Every single rider contributed to our success so it’s hard to single out one rider, they all rode well over the season and some of them when they were carrying injuries but they all deserve credit for an outstanding season and the team spirit was the best I have ever seen in over 50 years watching. A special mention must be made for Rob Lyon, when he was made team manager I applauded the choice and he has done even better than I thought he would, he is light years ahead of some of his rivals and had a brilliant relationship with his riders. Keith Chapman has a lot of critics but he put his money where his mouth was and he has warmed to a lot of Peterborough supporters and trackstaff, he has the backing of the supporters club and has truly delivered, nobody can ask for anymore. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Buster and Allit deserve a lot of praise for sure. This club was on it's knees in 2019 and it feels it's been kick started Edited October 15, 2021 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, ray c said: .And people say speedway dead in this country not on those two meetings . The crowd pleasing aspect is never in question Ray is it? It's the contrived nature of how the leagues are ran which sadly holds it back (massively).. The two legs of the final show how great it can be from an entertainment perspective which makes you wonder why stadiums are not full every week, mainstream media are not all over it, and why major sponsors are not queuing up to put their cash in.. However.. The other side of that coin is that the truth is Peterborough won by using riders from Ipswich and Kings Lynn, after (just like many others), using all and sundry through the season on an adhoc basis to get them there.. And that unfortunately will nullify the importance of the events during the season from a fan perspective, and keep both major sponsors and mainstream media away from the sport.. There is a reason Poland doesnt follow the same operating model, and it is because they know a team sport has to have a tribal following and element to it to make it appealing and successful, as you need that emotional involvement. Very frustrating isnt it that such an incredibly exciting sport is so hamstrung by (in the UK), it's very own devised infrastructure..? As an example of the flawed thinking, many "followers" of Peterborough and BV would have joined the regulars in the two legs, and it should be a launch pad for next season to entice these "followers" to become "regulars" each week, or even just more frequent visitors.. And it's the same every year. Bumper Crowds at the Play Offs!! However. The Champions every season seldom get a chance to keep the same septet should they want to, thus severing that connection created... A truly great sport. Sadly undermined in the UK badly, so the riders wont ever get the publicity nor financial rewards their incredible contribution deserves.. Still, at least we still have it, so roll on 2022, and the SON is only a day away for me!! Come On GB!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 I do hope this team can be kept together for at least one more year. Bjarne aside who's stepping into retirement as a champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, mikebv said: The crowd pleasing aspect is never in question Ray is it? It's the contrived nature of how the leagues are ran which sadly holds it back (massively).. The two legs of the final show how great it can be from an entertainment perspective which makes you wonder why stadiums are not full every week, mainstream media are not all over it, and why major sponsors are not queuing up to put their cash in.. However.. The other side of that coin is that the truth is Peterborough won by using riders from Ipswich and Kings Lynn, after (just like many others), using all and sundry through the season on an adhoc basis to get them there.. And that unfortunately will nullify the importance of the events during the season from a fan perspective, and keep both major sponsors and mainstream media away from the sport.. There is a reason Poland doesnt follow the same operating model, and it is because they know a team sport has to have a tribal following and element to it to make it appealing and successful, as you need that emotional involvement. Very frustrating isnt it that such an incredibly exciting sport is so hamstrung by (in the UK), it's very own devised infrastructure..? As an example of the flawed thinking, many "followers" of Peterborough and BV would have joined the regulars in the two legs, and it should be a launch pad for next season to entice these "followers" to become "regulars" each week, or even just more frequent visitors.. And it's the same every year. Bumper Crowds at the Play Offs!! However. The Champions every season seldom get a chance to keep the same septet should they want to, thus severing that connection created... A truly great sport. Sadly undermined in the UK badly, so the riders wont ever get the publicity nor financial rewards their incredible contribution deserves.. Still, at least we still have it, so roll on 2022, and the SON is only a day away for me!! Come On GB!!!! Fair points but I'm not sure we should look to Poland. When their leagues were pony back in the 60s & 70s they still had massive crowds. Their recent team structures etc. haven't attracted more fans but they do enjoy great backing from the state/councils and globalising has increased sponsorship income no doubt. Its just their fans never drifted away like in the UK and some of that is down to society and living standards. They have less teams as well don't they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 I'm currently putting myself through more pain by watching last night's final back. Doing this because being at the track you miss stuff, especially in the pits area. Peterborough were definitely more of a team. The spirit they had, all helping each other. All cheering each other. Showing more emotion. Obviously this could be just because the cameras were only concentrating on Peterborough side of things. But it's easy to see which team wanted it more for me. Sad to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: Agreed, Belle Vue fans round us were livid with it. Having your reserves against our 1&5 was very generous. But Bomber tried giving you a helping hand. Lemon also made another mistake i feel by using Bewley in ht4 for the RR he maybe wanted the quick start but what it did was give Peterborough ht6 to ht11 without him to think about, that period in the match won Peterborough the title as they hit the aces whilst Bewley sat in the pits not being able to have any influence in the middle section of the match 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Flappy said: I do hope this team can be kept together for at least one more year. Bjarne aside who's stepping into retirement as a champion All depends on points limit, your 6 currently is 41.37, points limit this year was 35.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Flappy said: I do hope this team can be kept together for at least one more year. Bjarne aside who's stepping into retirement as a champion Was surprised that Ulrich wasn't in the celebrations at the end in his kevlars like Hans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 The Eurosport coverage was disappointing again. What annoyed me was that every reserve change (Pedersen, Palin, and Brennan) were shown as 'rider replacement rides' on the graphics as they came to the tapes. Annoying for a fan of the sport but any newcomers would have been totally confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Lemon also made another mistake i feel by using Bewley in ht4 for the RR he maybe wanted the quick start but what it did was give Peterborough ht6 to ht11 without him to think about, that period in the match won Peterborough the title as they hit the aces whilst Bewley sat in the pits not being able to have any influence in the middle section of the match Firstly I don’t know why R/R was left at 5 the last 3 meetings when they have known Kurtz wasn’t going to be riding, Kurtz R/R should have been moved to 2 or 4 so it’s not out with reserve each time the heat 13. Even with it at 5 don’t know why they didn’t use the same R/R order as did against Sheffield that worked fine Worrall, Worrall, Bewley, Wright. Putting Etheridge in heat 6 was the most baffling decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Well done to the Panthers but what has happened to your track, has Buster destroyed it like he has Kings Lynn, if that was a normal meeting you would all be moaning about no passing and one line, it was only the incredible effort from the rider's and some rider errors that made the racing as good as it was which wouldn't have happened in a league meeting. Ain't most passing in Speedway down to rider error?? A quicker rider behind always makes the rider in front pull defensive moves. This has to be the most nonsense post on here. The racing was terrific. Belle Vue v Peterborough I hope is the final for the next 30yrs until others get better tracks in all honesty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Rob B said: All depends on points limit, your 6 currently is 41.37, points limit this year was 35.5. Theres going to be a clutch of 6-7pt riders that may miss out if the limit isnt increased and with the rider availability in the Uk deminished cant see the limit staying as it is, if the aces stick with Bewley for example hes going to use a fair % of your limit and your team will need to be ripped apart along with all the other teams. Will they see sence and raise the limit so that those who want to ride in the Uk can still do so time will tell. You used Bewley in ht7 at home and ht9 away v Sheffield i think , moving the ht13 reserve to ht6 last night gave the Panthers further fuel to hit you hard during that period and a TM like Rob Lyon would of picked up on that for sure ,that period was 3 5-1s and a 4-2 & a 2-4 , the 3 5-1s won Panthers the match . Losing the 10pt lead monday also hurt you harder than you would of hoped , . If Glasgow want Ulrich back next season as i think hes still a Peterborough asset, then i would ask for Tom Brennan in exchange loans, hes been the most improved RS this season and the way he handled the pressure in the races he was under pressure was very impressive he will go far for a rider who cut his teeth on the small Eastbourne track he can ride both big and small tracks an art these days. Edited October 15, 2021 by scoobydoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Was surprised that Ulrich wasn't in the celebrations at the end in his kevlars like Hans. Probably because he was in Denmark, it makes team photographs quite difficult. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 Well done to both teams for putting on a great show over the two legs, some good racing at both venues but especially at the NSS, man of the finals Dan Bewley for "THAT" pass alone. Strange decision to put Etheridge in Heat 6 (i think) as rider replacement! Congratulations to the Panthers , "They dont like it up em" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Probably because he was in Denmark, it makes team photographs quite difficult. He was there for the semi just thought he would be there also for the final , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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