Glasgow V Edinburgh KO Cup 10 October

[SharpenRake]

11 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Pickering having a nightmare bring our major downfall, he’s normally good for double figures round Ashfield. 
Looks like his performance may cost us on this occasion. 

That's a bit harsh. Pickering clearly tried his guts out but on this occasion just didn't pick up the points his efforts normally achieve. Also give some credit to the Tigers riders who were immense and were unlucky not to take a bigger lead to Armadale. Just hope its enough. 

[Mr Blobby]

1 hour ago, SharpenRake said:

That's a bit harsh. Pickering clearly tried his guts out but on this occasion just didn't pick up the points his efforts normally achieve. Also give some credit to the Tigers riders who were immense and were unlucky not to take a bigger lead to Armadale. Just hope its enough. 

Not saying he didn’t try, just unfortunately had a bad night. 

[Gazc]

48 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Not saying he didn’t try, just unfortunately had a bad night. 

Maybe just Maybe the home riders were to fast for him.

[SSL84]

10 minutes ago, Gazc said:

Maybe just Maybe the home riders were to fast for him.

Not sure Edinburgh will pull this one back? But they got 2nd chance in the semi final play offs think that could be closer?

[Endeavour]

3 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

Pickering having a nightmare bring our major downfall, he’s normally good for double figures round Ashfield. 
Looks like his performance may cost us on this occasion. 

Track will be same for play offs. If we make it). Not a lot of dirt. Shame but weather has played its part.

[edmon]

Best team won on the night but what was the referee playing at in heat 15?  Clearly under the rules Brennan should have been penalised as he was not on his machine, still gardening, as the 2 minutes expired.  I know that a strong referee would have done so.

[MD]

1 hour ago, edmon said:

Best team won on the night but what was the referee playing at in heat 15?  Clearly under the rules Brennan should have been penalised as he was not on his machine, still gardening, as the 2 minutes expired.  I know that a strong referee would have done so.

The 2 minutes regularly timed out in several heats and the riders were still not coming to the tapes. Inconsistent refereeing is one of my pet hates. MacGregor usually has none of it and excludes someone early on. It quickly changes rider behaviour. The worst refs let some jump starts go and call back others, sometimes in the same meeting!

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, edmon said:

Best team won on the night but what was the referee playing at in heat 15?  Clearly under the rules Brennan should have been penalised as he was not on his machine, still gardening, as the 2 minutes expired.  I know that a strong referee would have done so.

Agree,there is no point in having it.No messing in Poland you can see the rider continually glancing at the clock.

[Noelinho]

5 hours ago, edmon said:

Best team won on the night but what was the referee playing at in heat 15?  Clearly under the rules Brennan should have been penalised as he was not on his machine, still gardening, as the 2 minutes expired.  I know that a strong referee would have done so.

Yes, it happened far too often. I think the starting marshal needs to invite riders to the start earlier too. Refs should warn both teams before the start and once the first rider is excluded, it won’t happen again.

[Fromafar]

5 minutes ago, Noelinho said:

Yes, it happened far too often. I think the starting marshal needs to invite riders to the start earlier too. Refs should warn both teams before the start and once the first rider is excluded, it won’t happen again.

Enter stage left MacGregor

[MartinBSN]

On 10/11/2021 at 3:29 PM, edmon said:

Best team won on the night but what was the referee playing at in heat 15?  Clearly under the rules Brennan should have been penalised as he was not on his machine, still gardening, as the 2 minutes expired.  I know that a strong referee would have done so.

I take it you don't know the 2 minute rule then? You only have to be on the track making your way to the tapes. Could be just entering from the pit gate

[TheScotsman]

011.1.5 Starting Offence
The following are deemed to be starting offences: -
a) failure to meet the 2 minute time allowance
b) gate preparation after the expiry of the 2 minute allowance
c) not obeying the Start Marshals instructions
d) when a rider’s motorcycle or any part of their body or equipment 
touches or breaks the starting tapes whilst the green starting light 
is on or prevents the raising of the start gate
e) returning to the pits, as detailed above under 011.1.3
f) delaying the start in any other manner, or who prevents the 
starting gate from being released properly
A referee may issue a warning for a Starting Offence c and f above. Starting 

Offences a, b, d and e are disqualifications.
 

Looks like b) above is relevant so Edmon is correct. 

[Fromafar]

4 hours ago, Marshall07 said:

I take it you don't know the 2 minute rule then? You only have to be on the track making your way to the tapes. Could be just entering from the pit gate

You could  wrong there.Trouble is not all tracks have Countdown Clock therefore the Refs discretion comes into play at some tracks IMO.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Fromafar

[tyretrax]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

You could  wrong there.Trouble is not all tracks have Countdown Clock therefore the Refs discretion comes into play at some tracks IMO.

I'm sure the guy doing race times will keep the ref right with two minutes time.

 

[Fromafar]

6 minutes ago, tyretrax said:

I'm sure the guy doing race times will keep the ref right with two minutes time.

 

Agree ,but the Ref has act when the time is up where there is no clock.Most refs don’t seem to care as long as the rider has left the pits which condridicts the rules.All you see is them flashing the green lights.Clocks should mandatory in this day and age.IMO

[Noelinho]

Clubs would soon put clocks in place if the ref keeps excluding the home riders for exceeding the time limits!

[edmon]

9 hours ago, Marshall07 said:

I take it you don't know the 2 minute rule then? You only have to be on the track making your way to the tapes. Could be just entering from the pit gate

Not if you have a two minute clock.  Rider is delaying the start if gardening after the two minutes.

 

Unfortunately you need to check the rule book again.

[scotchopper]

No one wants big meetings to be decided on a 2 minute exclusion. Would much prefer a bit of referee discretion as is the normal in the British leagues. Clocks on the centre green has to be universal at all the tracks in the league before they start to enforce that.

This grumpy old men mentallity that we don't want gardening and returning to the pits is beyond me. I would far rather all 4 riders were as best prepared as possible to give us the best race possible and will happily take getting home 15-20 minutes later for better racing than a race spoiled by going down to 3.

[crescent girl]

On Sunday at the Son, all four riders in the Final were still gardening as the clock ran down.   Would the referee have survived with his life, had he disqualified Lambert (again) or Zmarslk and decided the gold medal? 

[Endeavour]

1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

On Sunday at the Son, all four riders in the Final were still gardening as the clock ran down.   Would the referee have survived with his life, had he disqualified Lambert (again) or Zmarslk and decided the gold medal? 

Think what we need is consistency from officials. Some are sticklers and some apply common sense. The longer leniency is shown the more a habit it becomes for riders. Then when a referee sticks to letter of law he is the bad one.