Play off Q/F Edinburgh v Redcar Friday 1st and Sunday 3rd October

[eide67]

24 minutes ago, Paulco said:

I get that , but why couldn't the track ambulance not have took him to hospital before quarter to nine . It was a horror crash , so it was obvious James was hurt , so surely the ambulance could have took him to hospital much earlier . 

Agree, probably should've taken him straight away, especially given the current ambulance crisis. But still no guarantee it would've been back in time as ambulances often have to sit for hours outside A&E waiting to pass patients over to the hospital.

[Al Stewart]

5 minutes ago, truthsayer said:

It's like taking full insurance cover on a rental car.

It's all about money. I don't know the costs involved, but I'll estimate it to be around £500 saved per meeting. x 20 meetings a year, that's £10k saved. Chances of it affecting the meeting, pretty slim. If they find themselves in this situation once every three years, chances are that financially it's right just to go with one and take a hit when the worst does happen.

That's assuming they are actually able to find medical cover.

I understand we tried to arrange a second ambulance but there was not one available.

[Fenway Bleachers]

21 minutes ago, Endeavour said:

Fair point. Only medical folk could answer that one.

Indeed.

Truly dreadful incident with Sarj hitting the air fence( thank goodness) at high speed. Hope he makes a full recovery. 
Now my frustration would be the delay….

With a knee dislocation, the extent and nature of such an injury would be quickly obvious. He would need quickly assessed for bleeding and shock and transferred with haste to hospital. NHS ambulances do not respond quickly ( a blue light during the day can take an hour or longer) and response times when there is medical back up on site likely to be much longer. 
Therefore a trip to hospital was justified, by the quickest means. That would have been appropriate and understood by the crowd. Waiting for an hour made no sense. 
 

With speedway it seems now easily cancelled with a racing incident of this sort, or any heavy rain shower near the start, it makes you wonder if it’s still worth attending. No wonder the sport is struggling to attract new fans. I hope all the Bears fans are refunded for their wasted trip…

[sidewinder]

2 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

How about they just throw Edinburgh out of the play offs?  

How many times does speedway shoot itself in the foot time after time, should have adequate medical cover at all meetings just like all other forms of motorsport but it's all about trying to run a professional sport on the cheap.

Hope the AGM discusses this plus track covers and the fact speedway shouldn't run into October anyway 

I don't profess, to know the answer to this. Do the paramedic ambulances, have the necessary clearance and  authority  to transfer people to hospital. Whenever I have seen this, an NHS ambulance has done the transfer. I just wonder if it may not be as straightforward, as people think. The trend is to shy away from responsibility, in this blame and claim society. Obviously some injuries are more serious than others. Again I would stress, I don't know, the regulations, that the paramedic companies work to.

[cyclone]

37 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

I don't profess, to know the answer to this. Do the paramedic ambulances, have the necessary clearance and  authority  to transfer people to hospital. Whenever I have seen this, an NHS ambulance has done the transfer. I just wonder if it may not be as straightforward, as people think. The trend is to shy away from responsibility, in this blame and claim society. Obviously some injuries are more serious than others. Again I would stress, I don't know, the regulations, that the paramedic companies work to.

Given the widely reported crisis in the NHS, including ambulance services , as a result of Covid, it appears you cannot rely on pre-Covid  levels of response times.

I would be very surprised if other non-NHS forms of patient transport would be prevented from delivering those requiring hospital treatment to A & E, where appropriate.

It was a paramedic ambulance that eventually ferried Sarj  for hospital treatment tonight.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by cyclone

[chopper]

Sadly its a world wide problem as same in Aus with shortages and ramping at hospitals, at the end of the day the riders health has the be the priority but frustrating all the same.

All the best to Sarge.

Cheers Chopper

[Halifaxtiger]

6 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

Speedway needs to open it's eyes and look for additional cover

I've ran events, we had a local ambulance on site plus a private "medical car" which came with two paramedics 

The private medics would perform pre event medicals for participants and also deal with any potential injuries during the event

If an injury required a trip to hospital but without the need for assistance the athlete would be accompanied by a volunteer 

If a more serious issue occurred (thankfully it never did) the ambulance could take the athlete while the event still had medical cover

Oh and there was also a doctor on sight as well.

Having one ambulance is doing it on the cheap, hoping for minimal risk and ultimately betraying the fans when it goes wrong 

 

I once spoke to former Plymouth promoter Ashley Taylor about this and he told me that when he took over the Devils opted for two ambulances at every meeting. It did cost more, but it was his belief that having just one was a false economy that could easily backfire.

I was at Plymouth the night that Ashley Birks was severely injured, and due to Plymouth's medical cover policy the meeting was delayed only for as long as it took to repair the fence. 

[SteelShoe]

2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I once spoke to former Plymouth promoter Ashley Taylor about this and he told me that when he took over the Devils opted for two ambulances at every meeting. It did cost more, but it was his belief that having just one was a false economy that could easily backfire.

I was at Plymouth the night that Ashley Birks was severely injured, and due to Plymouth's medical cover policy the meeting was delayed only for as long as it took to repair the fence. 

Agree with this policy completely if possible to do so.

Incidents such as this happen somewhere pretty often and the impact of insufficient medical cover to allow meetings to continue quickly is detrimental to how the sport is perceived. It is also hugely frustrating and possibly ultimately off putting to fans who pay to see a meeting.

[JanAndersen]

I think the point on having additional medical cover is a fair one however you can see the temptation as a promotion to save money on something that is needed relatively infrequently when the whole operation is run on a shoe string. 

On a positive note there were almost 180 people watching the stream on Friday which is pretty much double what we’ve had in recent weeks. Hopefully they all tune in again on Tuesday. 

Edited October 9, 2021 by JanAndersen

[cowboy cookie returns?]

8 hours ago, lucifer sam said:

Read the rules - they can't pick Glasgow.

Plus nothing to stop them picking the winners of Edinburgh v Redcar on Wednesday night, as it's highly likely that Tuesday will be last chance saloon to stage the quarter-final.

The rules could be changed in the interest of speedway, so don't rule anything out

[King Jamie]

Will the third attempt at running this fixture be the first ever Tuesday night meeting at sunny Armadale? I'm struggling to think of another one.

[SharpenRake]

Firstly hope James is OK. Secondly sympathies to both promotions and sets of fans. Also to the Poole and Glasgow promotions riders and fans who are sitting patiently wondering who they will be playing and when in the semis. It does make you wonder about the sense of having 6 teams in the play offs and as others have said trying to run important matches in October. 

[Tosh1218]

Now you know that the league original cut off date should not have been extended 

[Janice Jackson]

UPDATE

It has been confirmed James Sarjeant has a small fracture to both his tibia and pelvis, as well as a deep gash to the back of his left leg

He is awaiting surgery today. We wish him a speedy recovery!

Bears now head back to Armadale on Tuesday 12th October at 7:30pm

 

[Jaizer]

Oh that sounds nasty. Speedy recovery sarj

[Moranboys]

12 hours ago, Endeavour said:

Heard tonight that the Fans Trust discussed at their last meeting funding a second ambulance for the remaining fixtures at Armadale.

can’t blame promotion for lack of NHS ambulance cover.
 

So they run a meeting in the hope that there are no injuries and that an ambulance can be summoned at the drop of a hat when there is a curfew? If I had been any of the speedway fans attending last night and would have had to have stood around for two hours to be told it was abandoned after one race because of the curfew,especially if I'd travelled all the way from Redcar,I think I would be just a tiny bit miffed and that would be the understatement of the year! When oh when is this sport going to be run more professionally in this country.if I'd have been a first timer last night then that would have been my one and only visit I'm afraid.enough said....

[Gazc]

I blame Edinburgh.

[Gr8scot]

4 minutes ago, Gazc said:

I blame Edinburgh.

That’ll make a change 

[Fromafar]

59 minutes ago, Moranboys said:

So they run a meeting in the hope that there are no injuries and that an ambulance can be summoned at the drop of a hat when there is a curfew? If I had been any of the speedway fans attending last night and would have had to have stood around for two hours to be told it was abandoned after one race because of the curfew,especially if I'd travelled all the way from Redcar,I think I would be just a tiny bit miffed and that would be the understatement of the year! When oh when is this sport going to be run more professionally in this country.if I'd have been a first timer last night then that would have been my one and only visit I'm afraid.enough said....

Have to agree,and it’s not just Edinburgh who run this the same way.Lets be honest there are not many meetings where there is not a faller and Clubs are lucky to get away with this situation so often.

[Mr Blobby]

1 hour ago, Moranboys said:

So they run a meeting in the hope that there are no injuries and that an ambulance can be summoned at the drop of a hat when there is a curfew? If I had been any of the speedway fans attending last night and would have had to have stood around for two hours to be told it was abandoned after one race because of the curfew,especially if I'd travelled all the way from Redcar,I think I would be just a tiny bit miffed and that would be the understatement of the year! When oh when is this sport going to be run more professionally in this country.if I'd have been a first timer last night then that would have been my one and only visit I'm afraid.enough said....

Like said elsewhere, the club had tried to book two ambulances last night unfortunately there was only one available.

Everything would’ve been fine last night as the second ambulance was due to arrive to collect James in 15/20 minutes which would’ve gave us plenty time to do the meeting, unfortunately the ambulance go told to go to another incident on route to the stadium which left us in the predicament that we were in last night. 
 

Edited October 9, 2021 by Mr Blobby