LisaColette Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, noaksey said: Bad refereeing doesn't excuse cheating As has been mentioned before, what about awarding the race no matter what lap it is on if the ref is sure that a rider is staying down on purpose? 40 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: No one has mentioned the IRR situation for MPT, i for one didn't think it could be used when RR was already in use, but with the no TS rule in place was it a case of the IRR was permitted therefore in the play offs and not a normal league match ? Poole used IRR at Birmingham 21 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Just thought i had read it couldn't be used with RR its good it can be used and was introduced to cover for a rider who was injured during a meeting it at least limits the 3 rider races as well Doesn't stop the 3 rider races if it is a reserve that gets injured unless you take a no8 with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: As has been mentioned before, what about awarding the race no matter what lap it is on if the ref is sure that a rider is staying down on purpose? Poole used IRR at Birmingham Doesn't stop the 3 rider races if it is a reserve that gets injured unless you take a no8 with you. A No 8 can only take RR rides, so wouldn't help at all if a reserve got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 33 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: Another thing I forgot to add. If it was Douglas or Nicol who fell in Heat 14 and either saw the Panthers on a 5 - 1 do you think either would've gotten up to allow the race to continue knowing full well it would be a body blow to Wolves as a team? Still wouldn't have made it right, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: As has been mentioned before, what about awarding the race no matter what lap it is on if the ref is sure that a rider is staying down on purpose? Poole used IRR at Birmingham Doesn't stop the 3 rider races if it is a reserve that gets injured unless you take a no8 with you. If a reserve is injured, the other reserve takes his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, sandking072 said: Still wouldn't have made it right, would it? No but it's the smart thing to do otherwise it's like a football player scoring an own goal by helping out the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: No but it's the smart thing to do otherwise it's like a football player scoring an own goal by helping out the opposition. Because players deliberately scoring against their own team happens a lot in football, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: A No 8 can only take RR rides, so wouldn't help at all if a reserve got injured. 14 minutes ago, racers and royals said: If a reserve is injured, the other reserve takes his place. But that reserve might also need to do some of the original r/r rides, so if a no8 can do that for them, you shouldn't get too many 3 rider races? Also if it is the higher averaged reserve who is injured, do you still use a rider above for one of the rides in IRR like you do in the normal R/R? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: But that reserve might also need to do some of the original r/r rides, so if a no8 can do that for them, you shouldn't get too many 3 rider races? Also if it is the higher averaged reserve who is injured, do you still use a rider above for one of the rides in IRR like you do in the normal R/R? Fair comment. IRR is not available for an injured reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 49 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Fair comment. IRR is not available for an injured reserve. Ah okay, so just for 1-5. I didn't realise that. So essentially just reserve change is all you can do then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 5 hours ago, noaksey said: Bad refereeing doesn't excuse cheating I don’t agree with his actions and certainly won’t condone it but it happens on a fairly regular basis and has done for lots of years. Unfortunately the powers at be seem reluctant or powerless to stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 10 hours ago, Fromafar said: Agree that should have awarded 5/1 to Wolves.Hans cheated.Makes the sport look what it is “ Mickey Mouse”. So soccer is a mickey mouse sport due to players falling over for penalties. That's cheating. Anyway watching Hans again I don't think he could turn and finished up baling out and trapped under the bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, crazyb said: So soccer is a mickey mouse sport due to players falling over for penalties. That's cheating. Anyway watching Hans again I don't think he could turn and finished up baling out and trapped under the bike He was picking his spot to fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Fromafar said: He was picking his spot to fall Did well then, better than MPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I don’t agree with his actions and certainly won’t condone it but it happens on a fairly regular basis and has done for lots of years. Unfortunately the powers at be seem reluctant or powerless to stop it. They did for about 1or 2 seasons I think but was got rid of where if team A was on a 5-1 and a rider went down and stayed down on purpose the remaining rider from team B went of 15 meters. Edited September 30, 2021 by shadowfax spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, shadowfax said: They did for about 1or 2 seasons I think but was got rid of where if team A was on a 5-1 and a rider went down and stayed down on purpose the remaining rider from team B went of 15 meters. Yes I remember the rule, personally if the referee is satisfied a rider does it on purpose he should have the power to award the race as it stood at the time the rider fell. I despise cheating in any form in this sport, unfortunately some of the people running the sport don’t share my views. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 9:44 AM, bigcatdiary said: Yes I remember the rule, personally if the referee is satisfied a rider does it on purpose he should have the power to award the race as it stood at the time the rider fell. I despise cheating in any form in this sport, unfortunately some of the people running the sport don’t share my views. The advantage of putting a rider off 15m is that the fans get more racing! Every time a race is awarded after a rider falls & stays down (on purpose) the fans get short changed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 15, 2021 Report Share Posted October 15, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 9:32 AM, shadowfax said: They did for about 1or 2 seasons I think but was got rid of where if team A was on a 5-1 and a rider went down and stayed down on purpose the remaining rider from team B went of 15 meters. A rule that was introduced to much approval on here, until fans discovered it wasn't always being interpreted in favour of their team. There then followed much whinging and promoters responded by getting rid of the rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 Could someone who was at this meeting please post the result of heat 3 from a programme? Speedway updates and BSPA both conflict, as do Peterborough and Wolves websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 10 hours ago, June01 said: Could someone who was at this meeting please post the result of heat 3 from a programme? Speedway updates and BSPA both conflict, as do Peterborough and Wolves websites. Ht 3 (2nd rerun) Nicholls, Morris, Douglas, Palin (MPT - FN) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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