Rob B Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Umm the amount of teams definitely matter! Maybe if you pay Matt the difference of running in the prem compared to the Champ then maybe we could go back? Heard it is 5 figures. What's the saving riding In Championship compared to Premiership, apart from Bewley, Kurtz & Holder it's the same riders! Plus you're not getting the tv money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, KIRKYLANE said: Peterborough is a far superior track to Wolves whatever the conditions. recentl watched Peterborough v Newcastle from a few years ago…. Cracking meeting when Rusty Harrison got track record with a flat tyre? *edit* it was with Worky Edited September 27, 2021 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 I love how Shovlar thinks the Championship is the bees knees now.Oh how he changes his mind,he thought it was utter rubbish before the season started and was even contemplating not going.He would love Poole to be in the Prem play offs and not the Champ just so he could gloat even more. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 8 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Umm the amount of teams definitely matter! Maybe if you pay Matt the difference of running in the prem compared to the Champ then maybe we could go back? Heard it is 5 figures. £100.01? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, chris4gillian said: Irrelevant. That's a separate issue from the one I was making Ms Colette. Rumours suggest we're heading back to the Prem next season anyhoo, and I hope they're true. Not irrelevant when those are the issues the person in charge is using when making the decision. Anyway if Mon and Thurs fixed race nights stay we not moving anywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Rob B said: What's the saving riding In Championship compared to Premiership, apart from Bewley, Kurtz & Holder it's the same riders! Plus you're not getting the tv money. They not gonna be on the same pay. It was what was said when we moved down, that there was a big saving in costs. Tv money can't be very high, not many meetings shown this season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rob B said: What's the saving riding In Championship compared to Premiership, apart from Bewley, Kurtz & Holder it's the same riders! Plus you're not getting the tv money. Approx 30%. The tv money doesn’t make up for the shortfall. Add in having to ride on Mondays and Thursdays, the same opposition every 3 weeks and it becomes very unattractive. I was against Poole dropping down but considering the league is double the size and there is no difference bar a couple of riders in team strengths, it’s a no brainer. Edited September 28, 2021 by Steve Shovlar 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 9 hours ago, mikebv said: Let's hope the racing improves in the next three meetings.. And that we get the best two race tracks on show in the final... I enjoyed that track, needed skill to ride - as Harris said, using the little brain he's got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rob B said: What's the saving riding In Championship compared to Premiership, apart from Bewley, Kurtz & Holder it's the same riders! Plus you're not getting the tv money. There is a quite significant saving if what you read on the Newcastle and Eastbourne threads are accurate re payment.. With Eastbourne paying "too much" for the 2nd Division according to other promoters.. Probably far too simplistic, but maybe the conversion rate they use for averages is also linked in some way to points money conversion too? ie it is "easier" to earn more in the 2nd Division so you get less per point? I would also think that the 2nd Division teams could drive a harder bargain too as so many of the same (decent), standards riders will be relying on that second job due to very limited overseas opportunities... And. Let's be honest, given the crowd numbers the sport has, it shows hardly anyone really cares who wins either league title anyway so you might as well be "successful" for less.. Poole's crowds from what I have seen and heard are at the top end of the scale of any club in the UK, but wouldn't I would suggest get another 500 or so through the door if top of Div One rather than top of Div Two... And of course from an entertainment perspective you get to see virtually all of the best riders riding in the UK each week just like the Div One fans do.. I would also suggest that a few Div 2 teams should have taken the same decision and dropped down to Div 3 in a similar fashion, although to be fair, the Div 3 standard was messed about with which maybe dissuaded them from doing so.. 1000% the correct business decision for Poole, but not surprising as over the years they have made many good busines decisions... One of the sports major issues is the way some run it as a "money no object" hobby bringing salary inflation into it.. If all had to run it as a pure business to make themselves money to live, then I am sure many decisions made collectively by those who run it would be a lot different.. And the sport would be in a much healthier position because of it.. Edited September 28, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Approx 30%. The tv money doesn’t make up for the shortfall. Add in having to ride on Mondays and Thursdays, the same opposition every 3 weeks and it becomes very unattractive. I was against Poole dropping down but considering the league is double the size and there is no difference bar a couple of riders in team strengths, it’s a no brainer. I've always wondered how much tv money is paid out.Are you going to let us all know as you must know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 9 hours ago, chris4gillian said: Really? We belong in the top league, no matter how many teams are in it. Winning the Championship is nowhere near as prestigious as winning the Premiership and it's records that count. An achievement on a par with running out of petrol three miles from your home, whilst someone else runs out four miles from theirs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, mikebv said: One of the sports major issues is the way some run it as a "money no object" hobby bringing salary inflation into it.. Poole run it as a "rules no object" hobby though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Proud of the way we battled last night to be honest and never gave up fighting. Only 3 heats didn't feature track specialists Harris and Andersen, only 1 heat didn't feature Harris, Andersen or Nicholls 21 of their 30 rides completed by the trio, surprised we kept it so close to be honest. Really hope the second leg is more of a team event, then we may stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 I thought this thread was supposed to feature Wolves and Peterborough. I for one couldn't give a monkeys about Poole and whether they should be in the premiership or not. There time has come and gone and the less said the better! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Proud of the way we battled last night to be honest and never gave up fighting. Only 3 heats didn't feature track specialists Harris and Andersen, only 1 heat didn't feature Harris, Andersen or Nicholls 21 of their 30 rides completed by the trio, surprised we kept it so close to be honest. Really hope the second leg is more of a team event, then we may stand a chance. A team event 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: I thought this thread was supposed to feature Wolves and Peterborough. I for one couldn't give a monkeys about Poole and whether they should be in the premiership or not. There time has come and gone and the less said the better! You'll have to talk to the panthers fans who keep getting wound up by Steve and bring Poole into the discussion! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Let's hope the Panthers deservedly win the play offs and then perhaps mouthy Steve will finally shut up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Poor night for Wolves with inconsistencies everywhere and no high scoring reserves. Allowing the likes of Pedersen and Andersen past on the inside shows a lack of track craft and understanding do riders watch the racing Hans and Bjarne never pass anyone on the outside... what happened to team riding? Panthers wanted it and tactical injury rider replacement and the tactical fall by Andersen helped them on their way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 No chickens being counted here. Job still needs to be done in 3 more meetings if we want that trophy, but I can't put enough praise on this team. Pedersen did better than most expected last night and was unlucky not to have a race victory to his name. He'll be a busy man at reserve I'm sure but all 3 tracks he will potentially ride at should suit him better than wolves. Palin beat Flint, both looked very poor last night. He needs to keep beating to opposing R/S Losing MPT was a blow as he's been our in form rider but the lads stepped up. Riding order will be interesting loving forwards will Andersen ride at 2 with MPT or will they keep Nicholls with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, noaksey said: Poor night for Wolves with inconsistencies everywhere and no high scoring reserves. Allowing the likes of Pedersen and Andersen past on the inside shows a lack of track craft and understanding do riders watch the racing Hans and Bjarne never pass anyone on the outside... what happened to team riding? Panthers wanted it and tactical injury rider replacement and the tactical fall by Andersen helped them on their way I question if it helped us on our way. Because of the injury he scored 0,0 in his first two rides. Yes we got 5+1 for the last two rides but a fully fit MPT would have scored more than that, guaranteed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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