Jaizer Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: If doubling up disappears then the need for fixed race nights has essentially gone. Let's face it.. we're reliant on whatever Poland decides. If same as this season will still be a dearth of rider, minus pedersen and schlein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: With so few riders in the U.K. riding abroad, clubs should ride on whatever night they wish. There are still a good number of riders that race in the UK who also race in other leagues around Europe. Sure, there aren't many doing Ekstraliga and UK, but Polish lower leagues and the Swedish and Danish leagues still have a good few racing over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaizer said: Yeah the guest facility has to be looked at on particular. Flint guesting for riders with half his average been a total joke Think only team can’t use him is Edinburgh. We could only use him if Kemp unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Endeavour said: Think only team can’t use him is Edinburgh. We could only use him if Kemp unavailable. Not strictly true -- he could guest for any of your top three.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 22 hours ago, Jaizer said: 6 man teams I believe were last used in 1997. Thinking back to Glasgow side of that time think was Neil Collins, Mick Powell, will Beveridge, Grant MacDonald, Brian turner and I forget the 6th rider. I believe lowest averaged rider was classed as a reserve and could take up to 7 rides. There were 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated heats. Were allowed unlimited TS if more than 8 behind However the guest issue still existed. Think we won at Middlesbrough (could be wrong) due to a fantastic guest performance by Scott Robson. Brian Turner rode for the Newcastle Diamonds in 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: Not strictly true -- he could guest for any of your top three.......... True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) On 9/20/2021 at 7:41 AM, montie said: But what is the alternative to Guests and RR in this situation? 5 or 6 man teams, which then reduced the number of riders unavailable and missing every week RR isn’t too bad but guests are a mockery Edited September 24, 2021 by Najjer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 18 hours ago, Jaizer said: Absolutely. Been very impressed with him this season. Definitely far better than his old man ha. System has helped flint and Palin in particular but I'm not sure the old system would exactly have held them back Agreed....you've either got it, or you haven't ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 12:01 PM, Skidder1 said: f it is to be one league next year and if BSPL retain their 'Rising Stars' plan then every team will have 2 Rising Stars and 5 'senior' riders which imo would have to make the standard closer to this season's Championship strength! IF there are 15* teams to make up your "one big league" then you'll need to find 30 "rising stars". Honestly...are there enough riders out there deserving of that accolade? Sorting out the 75 "senior" riders will be interesting too. With all but 6 or 7 riders doubling up/down between the leagues, the standards are more or less the same now anyway. * - assuming the 2021 compliment of teams less Birmingham & Newcastle. Can't honestly see Eastbourne or Swindon returning either (and where would they get their riders from if they were to return?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 13 hours ago, uk_martin said: IF there are 15* teams to make up your "one big league" then you'll need to find 30 "rising stars". Honestly...are there enough riders out there deserving of that accolade? Sorting out the 75 "senior" riders will be interesting too. With all but 6 or 7 riders doubling up/down between the leagues, the standards are more or less the same now anyway. * - assuming the 2021 compliment of teams less Birmingham & Newcastle. Can't honestly see Eastbourne or Swindon returning either (and where would they get their riders from if they were to return?) Well at least 3 of those now look more positive then negative to run in 2022 so maybe enough for 2 leagues still or at least a 7 or 8 team Premiership?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 7:41 AM, montie said: But what is the alternative to Guests and RR in this situation? Ben Hopwood comin back next season will solve everything! Oh I am naughty but I like me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: 3 of those now look more positive then negative to run in 2022 Great! Has anyone worked out where they are going to get their riders from? The continent? Cue more absences, RR, Guests and more of the same old same old. Bear in mind that at the height of this season, there were only 137 riders licensed / registered to ride in the UK. One big league will mean no doubling up/down so those riders are going to be spread very thinly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: Great! Has anyone worked out where they are going to get their riders from? The continent? Cue more absences, RR, Guests and more of the same old same old. Bear in mind that at the height of this season, there were only 137 riders licensed / registered to ride in the UK. One big league will mean no doubling up/down so those riders are going to be spread very thinly. Cut the teams down to 5 per team & have one league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I heard on Glasgow stream last night Michael Max was part of a committee who have put forward a proposal for the future of British speedway which is due to be heard and discussed on Tuesday at a promoters meeting. Interesting to see what proposals are 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jaizer said: I heard on Glasgow stream last night Michael Max was part of a committee who have put forward a proposal for the future of British speedway which is due to be heard and discussed on Tuesday at a promoters meeting. Interesting to see what proposals are Any ideas who else was on it Jaizer? Don’t fancy a big league with North / South divide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Any ideas who else was on it Jaizer? Don’t fancy a big league with North / South divide. Na no idea. There's knowledgeable guys like Michael involved with every club so you would like to think some like minded folk. But as he said getting unanimous backing is highly unlikely as everyone is pushing their own agenda. Still good to know the powers that be know the status quo can't be maintained 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, PirateShip said: Cut the teams down to 5 per team & have one league Same riders in every other race not for me. very hard decisions ahead i think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ray c said: Same riders in every other race not for me. very hard decisions ahead i think . 6 and one league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Could they make it 5 rider teams but every match has 3/4 teams? Potentially more away fans at every match? Think we have to admit no longer a major speedway nation and follow what I believe they do in Germany and Czech Republic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Thought I read somewhere that the “top” riders need to ride in both leagues to make ends meet ....so even if there are enough riders how many meetings per season will one big league allow given they start in late March and they have to finish by mid September for the p. Offs. 6 riders per team assume we stick with 15 heats gives everyone 5 rides. With 2 rising/falling stars per side that’s one third of the meeting of NDL standard. Value £ 15 a meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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