LisaColette Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: Six man teams might be the way forward , I’m sure it’s been run with 6 riders before Yeah, personally I didn't like it. Has to be an odd number for me. If not 7 then 5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornaby48 Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Tosh1218 said: Six man teams might be the way forward , I’m sure it’s been run with 6 riders before Even with 6 man teams the same problems with riders missing due to injuries etc will exist , just one less rider to worry about. To my mind r/r is the best way forward and that when both teams want to use it ,it gets cancelled out and the no.8 is promoted. This used to be the system years ago and gives the no.8 valuable experience. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Agree with Thornaby 48. Additionally I would allow the option of one gust to replace the team’s number 1 rider. The gust should only be allowed to take the 4 programmed rides and must ride in the number 1 slot in the team. ( no T/S or nominated heat appearances) and of course have a lower CMA than the number 1 rider he is replacing This to dissuade teams from picking track specialist gusts to strengthen their teams. R/r should be the preferred solution for all absences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Agree with Thornaby 48. Additionally I would allow the option of one gust to replace the team’s number 1 rider. The gust should only be allowed to take the 4 programmed rides and must ride in the number 1 slot in the team. ( no T/S or nominated heat appearances) and of course have a lower CMA than the number 1 rider he is replacing This to dissuade teams from picking track specialist gusts to strengthen their teams. R/r should be the preferred solution for all absences. Are you a weatherman as you there are 3 gusts in your comment 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 man teams I believe were last used in 1997. Thinking back to Glasgow side of that time think was Neil Collins, Mick Powell, will Beveridge, Grant MacDonald, Brian turner and I forget the 6th rider. I believe lowest averaged rider was classed as a reserve and could take up to 7 rides. There were 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated heats. Were allowed unlimited TS if more than 8 behind However the guest issue still existed. Think we won at Middlesbrough (could be wrong) due to a fantastic guest performance by Scott Robson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Jaizer said: 6 man teams I believe were last used in 1997. Thinking back to Glasgow side of that time think was Neil Collins, Mick Powell, will Beveridge, Grant MacDonald, Brian turner and I forget the 6th rider. I believe lowest averaged rider was classed as a reserve and could take up to 7 rides. There were 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated heats. Were allowed unlimited TS if more than 8 behind However the guest issue still existed. Think we won at Middlesbrough (could be wrong) due to a fantastic guest performance by Scott Robson. Sean Courtney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, StevePark said: Sean Courtney? Yeah think it would be Sean you're right. I'm thinking maybe turner was the following year and Stewart McDonald made a comeback that year. I'll need to hunt out the old programs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Jaizer said: Yeah think it would be Sean you're right. I'm thinking maybe turner was the following year and Stewart McDonald made a comeback that year. I'll need to hunt out the old programs https://www.edinburghmonarchs.co.uk/match-centre/fixture/1997-08-17/glasgow/edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, StevePark said: https://www.edinburghmonarchs.co.uk/match-centre/fixture/1997-08-17/glasgow/edinburgh Thanks, saved me going out the shed!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 10:46 AM, StevePark said: Said his head was not in the right place for racing after the news of Dave Tattum's death earlier in the day. It's been said that they were good friends. I would have thought that the sad passing of Dave ( Ben's dear friend & supposedly mentor ) that it would inspire him to ride & do Dave proud .. but I suppose some people take thing's differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 17 hours ago, Jaizer said: 6 man teams I believe were last used in 1997. Thinking back to Glasgow side of that time think was Neil Collins, Mick Powell, will Beveridge, Grant MacDonald, Brian turner and I forget the 6th rider. I believe lowest averaged rider was classed as a reserve and could take up to 7 rides. There were 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated heats. Were allowed unlimited TS if more than 8 behind However the guest issue still existed. Think we won at Middlesbrough (could be wrong) due to a fantastic guest performance by Scott Robson. Did you guys in the PL have six man teams in 1998 too? We did in the EL with a daft race format that more or less had R/R programmed in which any rider could be nominated into and of course it massively favoured the top heavy teams....Ipswich won the league by miles with a top three of Louis, Rickardsson and Gollob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Did you guys in the PL have six man teams in 1998 too? We did in the EL with a daft race format that more or less had R/R programmed in which any rider could be nominated into and of course it massively favoured the top heavy teams....Ipswich won the league by miles with a top three of Louis, Rickardsson and Gollob. No we went to the 7 man teams from 98 onwards. That was issue with 6 man teams that I remember, had 3 big hitters and 3 essentially reserves on today's standards. Very rarely would 2nd strings beat heat leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 If it is to be one league next year and if BSPL retain their 'Rising Stars' plan then every team will have 2 Rising Stars and 5 'senior' riders which imo would have to make the standard closer to this season's Championship strength! The number of fixtures (League and Cup) should give those 2021 Double-uppers a similar financial earnings opportunity as long as clubs don't go crazy with deals. Of course Eurosport would have to be OK with the format including doing away with Mon/Thurs fixed race nights so that every club can run on their optimum regular race night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If it is to be one league next year and if BSPL retain their 'Rising Stars' plan then every team will have 2 Rising Stars and 5 'senior' riders which imo would have to make the standard closer to this season's Championship strength! The number of fixtures (League and Cup) should give those 2021 Double-uppers a similar financial earnings opportunity as long as clubs don't go crazy with deals. Of course Eurosport would have to be OK with the format including doing away with Mon/Thurs fixed race nights so that every club can run on their optimum regular race night. With so few riders in the U.K. riding abroad, clubs should ride on whatever night they wish. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If it is to be one league next year and if BSPL retain their 'Rising Stars' plan then every team will have 2 Rising Stars and 5 'senior' riders which imo would have to make the standard closer to this season's Championship strength! The number of fixtures (League and Cup) should give those 2021 Double-uppers a similar financial earnings opportunity as long as clubs don't go crazy with deals. Of course Eurosport would have to be OK with the format including doing away with Mon/Thurs fixed race nights so that every club can run on their optimum regular race night. Rising stars have been a bit of a joke thing this year. Edited September 23, 2021 by Endeavour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Rising stars have been a bit of a joke thing this year. Yeah the guest facility has to be looked at on particular. Flint guesting for riders with half his average been a total joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Yeah the guest facility has to be looked at on particular. Flint guesting for riders with half his average been a total joke On the plus side...Flint has developed tremendously this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, GiveusaB said: On the plus side...Flint has developed tremendously this season. Absolutely. Been very impressed with him this season. Definitely far better than his old man ha. System has helped flint and Palin in particular but I'm not sure the old system would exactly have held them back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 46 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Rising stars have been a bit of a joke thing this year. Well if they stick to the so called plan it's gonna be 2 rising stars in each team next season! Oh crikey, it's surely not a game of 2 halves......it is Now! Please don't do this, Save Our Sanity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 23, 2021 Report Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: With so few riders in the U.K. riding abroad, clubs should ride on whatever night they wish. If doubling up disappears then the need for fixed race nights has essentially gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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