Wildcards 2022

[r8gdp]

I know it won t happen but I give niki p a wild card I think they dropped him too early from the gps . He would liven it up a bit  and could nt be as poor as kk and Bernstein have been 

[lbw]

Lambert would be a good call for a wildcard but if he doesn't get picked for the SON and Bewley does this could change things regarding a British permanent wildcard pick.

The organisers may completely over look choosing another Brit if they see that Lambert isn't good enough to be picked for the SON. 

All about being in the shop window. 

Depends also I guess when the wildcards are announced. Think I've confused myself 

Edited September 13, 2021 by PirateShip

[OveFundinFan]

12 minutes ago, PirateShip said:

Lambert would be a good call for a wildcard but if he doesn't get picked for the SON and Bewley does could this change things for a GP British wildcard. 

The organisers may completely over look choosing another Brit if they see that Lambert isn't good enough to be picked for the SON. 

All about being in the shop window. 

Traditionally the current British Champion gets the Cardiff wild card. I wouldn’t like to see anything change that. It’s a one off meeting. The British champ rides in Britain, that’s why he in the British championship, British fans get to see him.  Dan will have to qualify another way for the GPs….. Euro Champ, GPChallenge or get a permanent pick.

[lbw]

21 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

Traditionally the current British Champion gets the Cardiff wild card. I wouldn’t like to see anything change that. It’s a one off meeting. The British champ rides in Britain, that’s why he in the British championship, British fans get to see him.  Dan will have to qualify another way for the GPs….. Euro Champ, GPChallenge or get a permanent pick.

I'm talking about a permanent British wildcard pick for the whole GP series not just Cardiff. 

Sorry for any confusion. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by PirateShip

[OveFundinFan]

Too soon for Bewley, no matter what they do with Lambert.  If the selectors picked. Bewley for next year, and he flops, then he will be out in 2023 (unless he earns it Euro champ/GP challenge). If he misses 2022 (like I think he should) then he just might be right for 2023, depending how he develops.

[waiheke1]

1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

Too soon for Bewley, no matter what they do with Lambert.  If the selectors picked. Bewley for next year, and he flops, then he will be out in 2023 (unless he earns it Euro champ/GP challenge). If he misses 2022 (like I think he should) then he just might be right for 2023, depending how he develops.

Bewley may get a pick as a reserve? Kubera, J Holder, Bewley, Lebedevs?

[waiheke1]

2 hours ago, PirateShip said:

Lambert would be a good call for a wildcard but if he doesn't get picked for the SON and Bewley does could this change things for a GP British wildcard. 

The organisers may completely over look choosing another Brit if they see that Lambert isn't good enough to be picked for the SON. 

All about being in the shop window. 

He's been in the GPs and top ten in Polish averages, i think he's already in the shop window. Would be amazed if he misses out. 

SON pick must be 50/50 though.

[lbw]

10 minutes ago, waiheke1 said:

He's been in the GPs and top ten in Polish averages, i think he's already in the shop window. Would be amazed if he misses out. 

SON pick must be 50/50 though.

yep, whoops.......fair point. Good job I'm not picking the wildcards!   

Edited September 13, 2021 by PirateShip

[SPEEDY69]

Commercial reasons will dictate as usual but I disagree about Vaculik.  He's finished 5th once but the other three years his highest has been 9th and this year he was pretty mediocre.  I'd go with someone else and I fully applaud sharing the chances around - as with financial services/shares, past performance is no guarantee of future performance 

[HenryW]

5 hours ago, Wee Eck said:

Thanks. That’s what I expected. Dan is about the same stage as Robert was this time last year as far as Poland is concerned, but still well behind on the international scene. 
But which one will get the nod for the SON? The home specialist or the more experienced rider?

Dan finished ahead of Robert in both the SEC series and the GP challenge this year, so I'm not sure if it's fair to say he is well behind, unless you just mean in terms of GP experience.

[lbw]

Wonder if they if they are still planning to go to USA anytime soon for a GP especially now with the change of rights holders. While there isn't an American that is anywhere near up to the world class standards of Penhall, Ermolenko, Hancock & Hamill etc I'm sure Luke Becker could still mix it up a bit . Or will Wilbur Hancock be the next to crack it on the world stage?

Speedway will benefit hugely from USA being represented in the GP once again and I think Luke Becker would be a refreshing addition along with a GP in USA  .......yet the organisers seem to think that having some countries represented in the GP benefits them more even if the rider as failed to qualify automatically. Not sure what Slovakia and Slovenia being represented in the GP as done for the series especially now as their riders are 12th and 14th in the standings.

Edited September 13, 2021 by PirateShip

[RPNY]

Dont really think it matters where they are from as long as the best are in it
Or at the very least its 15 out of the best 20. What the GPs dont benefit from are  riders like Bertzon and KK getting 1/2 points every time...

Edited September 13, 2021 by RPNY

[OveFundinFan]

4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Commercial reasons will dictate as usual but I disagree about Vaculik.  He's finished 5th once but the other three years his highest has been 9th and this year he was pretty mediocre.  I'd go with someone else and I fully applaud sharing the chances around - as with financial services/shares, past performance is no guarantee of future performance 

I disagree that this year he is mediocre, he had a couple 7th places and a 9th. The meeting he got injured he had 2 rides, 6 points, that is definitely mediocre, maybe he would have been on the podium or top of the podium. If he had done that he would have been a cert more then likely for next year. Martin is a proper racer, not a passenger hanging on picking up odd points. He is coming up to his prime years, for me he is a definite goer for next year.  Danger is they could pick 37 year old Jan Kolodzeiz who had his best years about 15 years ago.

[waiheke1]

10 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Commercial reasons will dictate as usual but I disagree about Vaculik.  He's finished 5th once but the other three years his highest has been 9th and this year he was pretty mediocre.  I'd go with someone else and I fully applaud sharing the chances around - as with financial services/shares, past performance is no guarantee of future performance 

This is 6th in the Ekstraliga averages, averaging more in the GPs than Thomsen and Lambert "mediocre" Vaculik? I don't believe he is in the series for commercial reasons at all - far less so than Lambert, Thomsen, and with a much better case for a wildcard. Out of interest, who would you put in instead?

[SPEEDY69]

15 hours ago, waiheke1 said:

This is 6th in the Ekstraliga averages, averaging more in the GPs than Thomsen and Lambert "mediocre" Vaculik? I don't believe he is in the series for commercial reasons at all - far less so than Lambert, Thomsen, and with a much better case for a wildcard. Out of interest, who would you put in instead?

My point about past performance is simply that whether someone is top in any averages or 12th in this league or that it matters not, it's future performances in the GPs that count.  As you mention Lambert, he has in fact finished ahead of Vaculik in more GPs this year!

How many times has the rider who is top Brit in the league averages in the UK won the British title?  Vaculik to me is an 'also ran', yes occasionally he may get a race win or two but mostly around 9th/10th and he's had several goes - this year he's been 9th, 7th, 7th, 11th, 12th & 9th.  I'd just like to see different people in the series to mix it up. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by SPEEDY69

[OveFundinFan]

You have got different people this year, 1 performs reasonable, 2 not so good. You want more then 3 new ones each year?

[SPEEDY69]

10 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

You have got different people this year, 1 performs reasonable, 2 not so good. You want more then 3 new ones each year?

Not necessarily.  Those who've had several years in it but still got nowhere should not be getting wildcards

[Ghostwalker]

1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

You have got different people this year, 1 performs reasonable, 2 not so good. You want more then 3 new ones each year?

Well what is the point of wild cards otherwise if you are just going to give them to riders placed 7,8,9,10,11,12,13 (depending one who qualified from the GP challenge)?
I definitely think they should be more "wild" with their picks but perhaps be more committed to it and it and the riders 2-3 seasons to establish themselves in the SGP.

[r8gdp]

Think doyle madsen vaculik are certs thomsen should be ok he’s finished on the rostrum lambert needs a final if not a top 3 finish in Toruń to make certain 

if not who do you put in bewley holder I don’t think are ready Kubera means too many poles

be interesting to see how p p the young pole goes (couldn’t be bothered about spelling his name lol )

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

Vaculik a top 10 rider in the world, no reason why he shouldn’t be in the series at all