tellboy Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Absolutely but they have not declared him in their 1-7 at the start of the season - all they have done is announced Jake on a short-term deal So if they are allowed to bring in Zagar for the start of the league season, then other teams should be allowed to make team changes before the start of the league campaign If not, then Belle Vue should be completing the first 25% of fixtures with the current lineup and only bring in Zagar after 5 league meetings have been raced. Couldn't agree more.If Belle Vue can do it,then so should the other 5 teams be allowed.Mind you the way it is for Lynn at the moment they may have to do the same.It's the will he won't he ride with KIldemand at the moment.Although he is out for 10 days at least now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, tellboy said: Couldn't agree more.If Belle Vue can do it,then so should the other 5 teams be allowed.Mind you the way it is for Lynn at the moment they may have to do the same.It's the will he won't he ride with KIldemand at the moment.Although he is out for 10 days at least now. yeah 10 days at least depending on the site reporting as apparently he has potentially broken a fair few bones as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: i would believe that team changes are allowed before the league season starts then there is a window between 25% fixtures and 75% of fixtures completed Look at Belle Vue and the side they have declared for the league cup, whether or not they are using the term short term contract for Jake, they have a rider coming in to start the league campaign They have not declared Zagar in the side and using Jake as a guest, so changes must be allowable before league racing starts as there are no contracts in British Speedway right? any rider can get the chop at any time To be fair it’s not been tested so only the BSPL know fully how it will operate but I was told that no changes are allowed until 25% of league fixtures are completed. The other thing to remember is ALL changes have to be approved by the BSPL. That has proved in the past to be a real bone of contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 23 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: My understanding is it’s 25% of league fixtures That's still not clear - do you mean each team or overall? With the patchy fixture list, 25% of the total number of fixtures could mean that some teams might have had 3 or 4 matches, and others 6 or 7 ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 Surely it’s 25% of the fixtures of the team that wants to make the change? Wouldn’t make a jot of sense otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Wouldn’t make a jot of sense otherwise. Welcome to British Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: That's still not clear - do you mean each team or overall? With the patchy fixture list, 25% of the total number of fixtures could mean that some teams might have had 3 or 4 matches, and others 6 or 7 ... When have you ever known the BSPL rule book to be clear and precise as to how things work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) It's why it needs a date. If only a couple of riders out there,,, the team that race on a Monday with no rain offs,, has a big advantage. Even better if that team has a hand in compiling the fixture list Edited April 22, 2022 by Baldyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/21/2022 at 1:18 PM, Falcon1983 said: Absolutely but they have not declared him in their 1-7 at the start of the season - all they have done is announced Jake on a short-term deal So if they are allowed to bring in Zagar for the start of the league season, then other teams should be allowed to make team changes before the start of the league campaign If not, then Belle Vue should be completing the first 25% of fixtures with the current lineup and only bring in Zagar after 5 league meetings have been raced. Allen is on a 28 day contract, so Zager is not replacing him, Belle Vue have a gap in their 1 to 7 Its a good way to get around things, unless a rider on a 28 day deal cannot be signed again after the 28 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted April 22, 2022 Report Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Allen is on a 28 day contract, so Zager is not replacing him, Belle Vue have a gap in their 1 to 7 Its a good way to get around things, unless a rider on a 28 day deal cannot be signed again after the 28 days However the short term deal was announced Belle Vue will go into the league having made a change But I'm sure if others want to make a change it will happen as all 6 clubs need to keep each other sweet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: However the short term deal was announced Belle Vue will go into the league having made a change But I'm sure if others want to make a change it will happen as all 6 clubs need to keep each other sweet KL declared their line-up with Iversen, so if Kildemand is ever to ride for them, they will have to make a change ... Edit: Just read that Kildemand is injured again?! Edited April 23, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) Kildemand's FB says he doesn't have a broken arm and collarbone ,he had a concussion and that hes ready to go on sunday after his crash on wed , doesnt the 9 day rule apply overseas, Looks like Starke will miss both meetings with Lynn after missing Newcastles match against Edinburgh last night with food poisoning which it seems still carries a 7 day suspension for his illness but as everyone knows that might not be the case with the unknown rule changes these days Edited April 23, 2022 by scoobydoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: KL declared their line-up with Iversen, so if Kildemand is ever to ride for them, they will have to make a change ... Edit: Just read that Kildemand is injured again?! Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: KL declared their line-up with Iversen, so if Kildemand is ever to ride for them, they will have to make a change ... Edit: Just read that Kildemand is injured again?! That's where the lack of transparency rears its head again I understand it as Kildemand being declared with Iversen in as a 28 injury replacement only Given that I would say Iversen CANNOT stay as after the 28 days he has to leave. If he was to stay then it would be a change which isn't within the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: That's where the lack of transparency rears its head again I understand it as Kildemand being declared with Iversen in as a 28 injury replacement only Given that I would say Iversen CANNOT stay as after the 28 days he has to leave. If he was to stay then it would be a change which isn't within the rules At the moment Iversen is named in the KL team, Kildemand isn’t., until Iversen leaves and Lynn re declare that’s how it will stay. 28 days or otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: At the moment Iversen is named in the KL team, Kildemand isn’t., until Iversen leaves and Lynn re declare that’s how it will stay. 28 days or otherwise. If that's the case they can't replace him after he goes as he is not injured and it's outside the transfer window It has to be no facility until 25% of league fixtures complete ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: If that's the case they can't replace him after he goes as he is not injured and it's outside the transfer window It has to be no facility until 25% of league fixtures complete ..... But you have missed the biggest rule in speedway,,,, in the best interests 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) On 4/23/2022 at 8:10 PM, Greg said: Wrong What is? Just one word without explanation is no use whatsoever. Edit ... If you mean Iversen, then check out Issue 2 of the BSPL's own list: https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2022-premiership-declarations/ Edited April 25, 2022 by Roger Jacobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/22/2022 at 7:51 PM, The Third Man said: Allen is on a 28 day contract, so Zager is not replacing him, Belle Vue have a gap in their 1 to 7 Its a good way to get around things, unless a rider on a 28 day deal cannot be signed again after the 28 days Jake Allen isn't on a 28 day contract. It is a short-term contract and he is included in their initial declaration. This is the extract from Belle Vue's website: 'AHEAD of the club’s first team event against Sheffield on Monday, March 28, Belle Vue have signed Australian racer Jake Allen on a short-term contract. The 2017 Queensland State Champion also lines up for the Scunthorpe Scorpions this season, after spending a year with Teesside club Redcar last season. But he found himself without a Premiership team place in 2022 after missing out on a spot with former club Ipswich, with whom he’d spent the last two campaigns. On Allen’s signing, Belle Vue CEO Mark Lemon said: “Finally, after what seems like an impossible international rider search, we have given Jake Allen a chance to showcase his abilities.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: What is? Just one word without explanation is no use whatsoever. Edit ... If you mean Iversen, then check out Issue 2 of the BSPL's own list: https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2022-premiership-declarations/ NKI is a 28 day injury replacement for Kildemand who remains in the initial decaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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